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Old 06-08-2012, 03:17 PM   #1
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ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

Poker Stars, $13.89 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players

hey!

whole table pretty much unknown and tight 2 good winning regs.
villain is only one with weaker stats 47/27 ~40hands
how would you proceed from flop on ?

thx dan

BTN: 1,230 (24.6 bb)
SB: 1,610 (32.2 bb)
BB: 1,835 (36.7 bb)
UTG+1: 1,423 (28.5 bb)
UTG+2: 1,552 (31 bb)
MP1: 1,575 (31.5 bb)
MP2: 1,320 (26.4 bb)
MP3: 1,460 (29.2 bb)
Hero (CO): 1,495 (29.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
2 folds, MP1 raises to 125, 2 folds, Hero raises to 350, BTN folds, SB calls 325, 2 folds

Flop: (875) Q Q 6 (2 players)
SB checks, hero ?
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Old 06-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #2
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

b/c 444. randoms c/j pps, 6x and Ax combos here a lot
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #3
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

b/c, it's the best chance to stack mid pairs. You don't want any overs to their pair to hurt your ability to get value on the turn, plus spades & As are bad some on the turn.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:43 PM   #4
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

way ahead/behind spot here and with the stack sizes i don't mind either betting or checking here. whatever line you think limits your loses to villains made hands, but increase your profits from villians dominated hands. Pehaps betting flop and check calling turn and/or river might be the best line vs a fish here? Fish show up with jx qx kx hands a LOT in these spots. So we really limit our losses to wiffy hands. Can we get 3 streets of value on a paired board vs a fish? 2 streets seem more realistic? I have been reraised on the turn often enough by fish in these spots and 90% of the time you are toast. Fish rarely have a bluffing range there and equally they fold more beat hands on the turn than they fold beaten hands on the river. So I often like a bet/check/bet line and fold to any reraising on the flop or turn

n.b - i usually like to bet 30-40% on paired boards as the preflop raiser with 15-20bbs effective stacks as a side note - just to keep stacks as shallow as possible, same with cbetting in a 3bet pot
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:13 PM   #5
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

262/call
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Old 06-08-2012, 09:47 PM   #6
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

^^^^

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Old 06-08-2012, 09:49 PM   #7
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

whats wrong with that? cause im pretty sure its an awesome bet size

i prefer lil smaller pre 275-311

edit: flat pre is fine by me too depending on who behind
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:00 PM   #8
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

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262/call
Yup, 3bet pot and this board is dry.
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:22 PM   #9
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

jk ldo
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Old 06-08-2012, 10:44 PM   #10
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

i thought you were saying my bet is too small when in fact urs is too big =D
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:36 AM   #11
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

like tomos idea to bet smaller pre (although) villain is really, really loose.
i often bet smaller in those spots too.
also like bet smaller on flop. like to have a 3 as first number but tomo is obv very extraordinary in betsizing
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:51 PM   #12
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

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way ahead/behind spot here
Not really. In a true WA/WB spot, you'd be about equally WA and WB (the canon example is KK on an A high flop, and most of the reason not to bet is that villain simply folds just about everything you beat). Here, you're far more often WA.

I wouldn't bet as little as tomo because he's pricing in Asxs.
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:53 PM   #13
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

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In a true WA/WB spot, you'd be about equally WA and WB
is there a definition?
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

I just gave one?
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:28 PM   #15
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Re: ps 15$ reg - how to play KK on this flop

came up with one ? more so )
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