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09-18-2014 , 04:57 PM
Hi guys, ive got quite a newbie question, but what's a good statistic for places that uve finished in 6max sngs.

Mine is 2nd>1st>3rd. But my 1st and 2nd place finishes are pretty much equal, does that mean in leaking money hu?
09-18-2014 , 08:14 PM
3rd is probably the position you finish the least in the top 4, though having more 3rds than 4ths isn't necessarily bad.

You should definitely have more 2nds than 3rds because you're better at the bubble than average opponents, and you should also have more 1sts than 2nds because you're better at HU than average opponents.

Having equal 1sts and 2nds means you're either misplaying HU or misplaying the bubble which gives your opponents chip advantage HU too frequently.

Keep in mind that under 5k games is going to have a very large confidence interval around your finish distribution, and the sample needs to be even larger for hyper turbos.
09-19-2014 , 11:13 AM
What emit has stated is correct in terms of general ratios though a relevant sample size is needed to draw a clear conclusion
09-19-2014 , 03:43 PM
If people Bad enough it could be Most profitable to have 2>1>3..
09-20-2014 , 09:07 AM


I'm glad this thread has been posted. As you can see I clearly have a leak when it comes to the bubble. Any advice on bubble strategy or common mistakes?

*ignore the 31 column in the graph
09-20-2014 , 12:34 PM


You probably get blinded out a lot, you need to widen up and steal more
09-20-2014 , 02:34 PM
THE most common mistakes when it comes to bubble play is calling too loosely and being to passive, your goal on the bubble is generally not to survive to the cash but exploit any passive play in opponents to increase your equity
09-20-2014 , 06:04 PM
It's likely too small of a sample, but if you can really get those results (looks like about 41% ITM) by folding everything 5 and 6 handed, maybe keep doing it and add more tables.
09-21-2014 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Campari Bitter
You probably get blinded out a lot, you need to widen up and steal more
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Originally Posted by Chanty57
THE most common mistakes when it comes to bubble play is calling too loosely and being to passive
I think this is an issue for me. I'm try to change my play so that I'm the one to shove rather than the one to call. I've recently discovered the concept of fold equity. I maybe wait to long for the "perfect" hand.

I'm often in a situation were it's down to 3 players and two people will be very short stacked (3bb) and the third will have a much higher stack (maybe 20bb). What is the range for shoving your 3bb? Assuming you shove first. For example would you shove K3o? Q3o? J8s?

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Originally Posted by Max Cut
It's likely too small of a sample
It is actually, I'll come back to this after a few hundred more. But I have to work with the data I've got!
09-21-2014 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Logain
It is actually, I'll come back to this after a few hundred more. But I have to work with the data I've got!
These stats are going to mean literally nothing until like 2k turbos or 5k hypers. Even then, they are very likely to not be converged.

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Originally Posted by Logain
I'm often in a situation were it's down to 3 players and two people will be very short stacked (3bb) and the third will have a much higher stack (maybe 20bb). What is the range for shoving your 3bb? Assuming you shove first. For example would you shove K3o? Q3o? J8s?
equilibrium in that spot is 35%

35.7%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K7o+ Q8s+ Q9o+ J8s+ JTo T9s

The most important factor in that spot is how frequently sb and bb stack off against each other when you fold.
09-21-2014 , 07:15 AM
You guys are discounting how important winning chips 6 and 5 handed and going into 4h and the bubble with a chip advantage is. Finish distribution is based on a lot of factors and while one person might have more 2nds than 1sts because of bad HU play, another might have the same ratio because they dont win enough chips early and have to play defense near the bubble.

But yeah until you have like 5 figure game sample youre pretty much just wasting your time and trying to assign meaning to what could be caused by running good with x players and running bad with y players.
09-21-2014 , 08:57 AM
Thanks, Rusemandingo.

Ive got a 1200 turbos sample, and now ive got 238 and 240 1st and 2nd respectively, whats a good ratio for good hu players?
09-21-2014 , 11:57 AM
smh
09-21-2014 , 12:22 PM
That's a small sample size for turbo formats in definitely, as Ruse stated your ratio now could be down to a range of internal game factors such as your individual leaks, and also external factors such as how your running with X/Y players etc
09-21-2014 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
You guys are discounting how important winning chips 6 and 5 handed and going into 4h and the bubble with a chip advantage is. Finish distribution is based on a lot of factors and while one person might have more 2nds than 1sts because of bad HU play, another might have the same ratio because they dont win enough chips early and have to play defense near the bubble.
Yeah, this. If I was forced to state anything about game play based on that distribution graph with that sample, it would be that you possibly don't take enough risk 5 and 6 handed, and maybe 4 handed too. But you would be better off reviewing and posting those types of hands than going by a small-sample dist graph.
09-22-2014 , 04:21 AM
get 10k games, come back.
09-22-2014 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
But yeah until you have like 5 figure game sample youre pretty much just wasting your time and trying to assign meaning to what could be caused by running good with x players and running bad with y players.
^^^ This

Most people trying to read into their finish distribution are wasting their time, and trying to adjust your game from it will likely lead to mistakes. Just keep focusing on the quality of your decisions.
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