the new shark scope option shows this is true....open a player and go under leaderboards

the top row shows what place you are out of the whole player pool, witch includes all players, all stakes, opted in or out, and locked players as well...everyone

...i did a few searches looking for a BE player for the month to see where the line is, and what the winning to loosing player ratio is(witch was always a topic of much speculation)

i found a player with 70$ profit for the month(its the 18th of April atm)...578k players played in total(this month) and this guy is ranked in 18,000th place...thats a little more than 3%, so i assume about 4% are BE+

correct if i'm wrong, but isnt it MUCH harder to be profitable (statistics-wise) in the micro/very low stakes than in medium/high-stakes? this fact, plus the fact that the vast majority of the players are playing less than 3$ SnGs, should explain those numbers, or no?

sure to a degree, i was just pointing out an interesting fact i think people would like to hear...

Yeah, I really don't think this is true.

Interesting. Certainly the longer I play sng, the more I realise the small edge the 1000s of hours studying gives you! As a new player looking to "make money" what I know now would frankly put me off! Lucky for me I am the definition of "recreational "...love the game, and I sometimes get a free holiday from my hobby...

You are wrong. What gave you this idea? If this was the case why would any player elect to play the micros while they have a greater chance of being profitable at a higher level.
Breaking even in online poker is an achievement. The overwhelmingly majority of players underestimate the extent to which variance is influencing their results.

This is correct. The % of winning players at low stakes will be lower than at higher stakes, because;
1. The rake is higher at low stakes
2. The difference in skill level between players will be less at low stakes, as almost all low stakes players are recreational.

There's sites where no one wins pre-rakeback, and the rake makes a lot of the low stakes games virtually unbeatable even with rakeback. Still it's shocking to see how few winners there are.

They actually show breakdown of profitable vs losing players



Red is losing green is winning. In my games this month is looks like about 65/35 to 70/30 losing to winning player ratio. Thats wo rb too. Not quite 3%

I wouldnt trust those charts too much. It seems month to month, the winning regs are getting in decent volume but the losing fish arent. So youre gonna have a lot more losing fish showing up as winners than you are winning regs showing up as losers. At least ime.

lol u guys realize that a winning grinder can have 100 times the volume of the average rec?
a statistic on how many % of the participants of some specific tourneys win would be more interesting.

lol@brag


youre incorrect about what the arrows mean-
green arrow means you are doing better than last month,
red means worse than last month

...youre right about the rb

when you hover over the arrow you will see youre last months finish

i dont see it as that negative for new players that want to win

sure the glory days are gone, but theres still money in poker...and anyone willing to watch vids, use the forums and work on their game can make money in what is after all a game...thats still pretty awsome

and the 3%-4% is not taking all factors in...like prob 90% of games being played @micros with high rake, like others already pointed out

that combined with the fact that just a little work can help you move up from the micros still isnt that bad for the new players

Are there bigger breaks in rake for Hypers at bigger stakes on other sites? Ignition has the same 5% rake for Hypers from the 1 dollar value all the way up to the 100 dollar value Hypers.

I never understood why they wouldn't reduce rake at higher buyin to encourage higher stake play.

I wasnt talking about the arrow. Im taking about the charts on the left. The black line is all players. The portion shaded green is winning players and the portion shaded red is losing players. If you hover over it it gives you the exact number breakdowns.

oh my bad, yeah thats interesting, didnt notice it

so in most(non micro) game types its way more the 3%...more like 30%

in the 100$ turbos its even more