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04-20-2013 , 03:21 AM
just saw the NBC HU ep. IDK who Scott Seiver really is, I've heard the name but no idea what hes done. But he seems pretty bad. How wrong am I?
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04-20-2013 , 04:28 AM
As jungleman said '' I dont believe you are supergood''
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04-20-2013 , 08:35 AM
HM is so #&Y$(&* terrible

anyone has experience with PT4?
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04-20-2013 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Haarlem91
HM is so #&Y$(&* terrible

anyone has experience with PT4?
PT4 seems much slower at first - it is very slow with the initial import when creating your db - but overall it seems to be a very stable product. The Hud is nice too although not as intuitive as Notecaddy when it comes to creating those custom stats. The report system is good - it just takes some getting used to.

Pity we cant have one product that provides :-

Hm2 Hud (with NC)
PT4 Reports and stability
PT4 Working EV
Hm1 Auto Hud switching when hu
Hm1 ease of use
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04-20-2013 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SiQ
just saw the NBC HU ep. IDK who Scott Seiver really is, I've heard the name but no idea what hes done. But he seems pretty bad. How wrong am I?
He's mastrblstr or close online, def mtt hero live and online. Assume he plays cash, not sure if HU online. Assume he knows what he'd doing HU but never know with some of the mtt guys. It can be hard HU coming in cold and seeing someone play a hand without knowing whats happened in previous hand. But could have just not given a **** about the tourney and been punting.

Have their been any good matchups? Ill watch some livestreaming stuff but the commentary from the pretaped shows intended for more general audiences are brutal.

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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
A little better at the 7s, you wont see much skill until 15+ and even the 15s suck.
Curious what youre basing this on. Even meh regs at the 15s who can 14 table are gonna be making 35 an hour. Top guys well over 50. You play lowstakes non hyper 9m yeah? If you think most of the people at the 15s suck you could prob grind those and make 3x your hourly.
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04-21-2013 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
He's mastrblstr or close online, def mtt hero live and online. Assume he plays cash, not sure if HU online. Assume he knows what he'd doing HU but never know with some of the mtt guys. It can be hard HU coming in cold and seeing someone play a hand without knowing whats happened in previous hand. But could have just not given a **** about the tourney and been punting.
He used to play big HUNL online. Not tier A HUNL boss but was probably a big favorite in the field in the NBC HU
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04-21-2013 , 08:29 AM
ugh. i'll have to assume he is better than me and i just couldn't understand why he was doing things. that makes me sad
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04-22-2013 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
He's mastrblstr or close online, def mtt hero live and online. Assume he plays cash, not sure if HU online. Assume he knows what he'd doing HU but never know with some of the mtt guys. It can be hard HU coming in cold and seeing someone play a hand without knowing whats happened in previous hand. But could have just not given a **** about the tourney and been punting.

Have their been any good matchups? Ill watch some livestreaming stuff but the commentary from the pretaped shows intended for more general audiences are brutal.



Curious what youre basing this on. Even meh regs at the 15s who can 14 table are gonna be making 35 an hour. Top guys well over 50. You play lowstakes non hyper 9m yeah? If you think most of the people at the 15s suck you could prob grind those and make 3x your hourly.
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Originally Posted by SiQ
ugh. i'll have to assume he is better than me and i just couldn't understand why he was doing things. that makes me sad
I think he would be the first to admit sometimes he makes some ambitious plays that involve not folding. Not sure if he played any hands like that during the HU match.
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04-26-2013 , 12:55 AM
Quick sng ethics question. My play was called "unethical" by another reg. Just curious what others think. Sorry if this has been brought up before

Player 1 - Hero 19BB
Player 2 - Sitting out fish. Has been sitting out for a few mins so we can assume he is gone for good and he has 3 BB left
Player 3 - Whiny reg with 8 BB

We are at the bubble, and the player sitting out is sitting to my left. I started to fold my SB when player 3 folded his button in order to keep him in the game, so I could push 100% of my hands on the button so I could reduce the other players stack before I finally started to worry about the player sitting out. Is this unethical?
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04-26-2013 , 01:10 AM
No poker stuff in the **** thread please unless it's like a big mtt sweat of a long time STTfer or similar.
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04-26-2013 , 01:11 AM
Can you move it to the beginners thread? Figured it would be easier than starting a new thread. Guess I have to learn the rules of the sttf
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04-26-2013 , 01:15 AM
This thread is a good place for it (why I put it here) and it's all good man. No one gonna get in trouble in here unless they are hard-core-trolling, breaking rules they know, or calling people names. You're good.
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04-26-2013 , 02:13 AM
Ahh, i hadn't even noticed you moved it when I wrote that. Sounds good, thanks!
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04-26-2013 , 02:21 AM
To answer your question I think it is optimal play. If you thought it was optimal not to pwn and you 'value' owning the butthead more than winning then that is your business. The only time it would be unethical is if you soft play some players but not all players (because you have some kind of arrangement or are even friends). Def pwn everyone (espesh vs your friends) in this spot and feel pretty damn good (espesh vs your friends x2).
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04-26-2013 , 11:34 AM
Not unethical at all, you are making the best play here for sure. +1 to Regret$

Most people are very dumb in that they don't adjust for quite some time and will initially keep folding and folding to your shoves even when you muck to SB a few times so you can print a few dolla bills off before the pwning ends

Just make sure to not shove too wide after a few min cause 'bad aka whiney reg' is probably gonna get mad and snap your ass off at some point
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04-26-2013 , 12:55 PM
This has been discussed before, and I still maintain if the other guy that you're ******* over is someone you play with every day I would not try to screw them on the bubble in this way. People do remember and it can have -EV consequences on you in the future.
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04-26-2013 , 05:05 PM
Sandman youre walking a fine line between metagame and collusion imo.

Im guessing youve discussed this with Quadz before? Because he has a very strong view on this
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04-26-2013 , 05:14 PM
I fail to see how this is screwing someone, is it really so different then a normal bubble pwn?

Is avg+ reg really gonna get their panties in a bunch and start spiting you all over cause you took advantage of a sitter?

If the guy keeps folding to you and not adjusting to the fact that we're mucking to SB once he gets almost AI then he stinks anyway and I hope he gets mad
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04-26-2013 , 05:26 PM
It's not so bad a spot for the other guy he can take a nice shove in the next few hands if he needs to and certainly blind off the sitter.. Even if the sitter comes back he is heavily crippled. So what he gets ownd a few more hands. I guess you could argue too that if you waited while your friend was sitout but quickly blinded off other guys, that would be another example of 'unethical' because you are treating your friend differently. Obv there is a line somewhere that is hazy like ghosting. I would say this is unethical if you are getting instruction on how to play but not if you are coaching or chitchating someone who is sweating you.
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04-26-2013 , 10:54 PM
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I fail to see how this is screwing someone, is it really so different then a normal bubble pwn?

Is avg+ reg really gonna get their panties in a bunch and start spiting you all over cause you took advantage of a sitter?

If the guy keeps folding to you and not adjusting to the fact that we're mucking to SB once he gets almost AI then he stinks anyway and I hope he gets mad
-Folding to a person that has a micro stack that's sitting out is much diff than a regular bubble pwn is 6 max because you can't do as well as in a 9 man because the ICM implications are less, but if the guy is sitting out it's different.

-I'm an average reg and I have 2 people that are on permanent spite call lists because of this, so if I notice, I'm assuming other regs notice as well.

-It only has to be done once or twice to make a dramatic change to the stacks, and that can be hard to notice the first time because of stacking, so when someone does it they normally get away with it at least once before I realize what's up.
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04-26-2013 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
Sandman youre walking a fine line between metagame and collusion imo.

Im guessing youve discussed this with Quadz before? Because he has a very strong view on this
How is it close to collusion when I just raise the guy sitting out every time, regardless of who's at the table?

I had that view before the previous conversation about this, probably because I get extra stressed out when I bust because of someone doing it and poker has enough stress as it is. So regs be warned, do this to me, I will notice and I will respond. Don't start no ****, won't be no ****.
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04-26-2013 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SandmanNess
How is it close to collusion when I just raise the guy sitting out every time, regardless of who's at the table?
If this is your view I must have missed it cause all I heard you say was youll avoid making a +ev fold to a sitter out, becasue you dont want to incur wrath from regs. That in itself is just metagame and perfectly fine, but I said it's a fine line because it can easily become trying to get someone to enter into a implied agreement in the spot, which you seem to be (mostly jokingly I assume) doing now.
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04-27-2013 , 03:25 AM
don't exploit a situation because someone may, possibly, to some unknown degree, do something because of it.

there are very few players i'd worry about that sort of thing with.
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04-27-2013 , 04:32 AM
So if you guys were in the shortstack position how you like because a reg is an idiot to make variance bigger for you? Of course this is unethic. Variance in hypers is brutal. Especially 30$s+. No matter how much you hate someone i think it is bad attitude. I will never do this to anyone. And i am known as a player with bad behaviour
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