Boo don't post results so fast

I'd check flop close to always and usually check back the turn as well. Like you state were really only ahead of one/maaaaaybe two hands and those hands probably don't give us anymore value if we bet. Free cards aren't too bad for our hand bc of what we still beat only 9s and rarely Qs are bad for us.

I'd prob check two streets and call/bet some rivers if he checks twice.

With this board and this action pre it should be quite easy for us to dump our hand post flop.

oops! forgot to remove result after quoting my post. If a mod could it that part out it would be appreciated.

cq, I used to always proceed cautiously in these types of spots but sometimes i feel that the contrast of strength shown pre vs post can induce more bluffs. This kinda reminds me of the classic reraise war pre with KK followed by an A high flop and we go into check calldown mode. It kinda turns our hand face up. In other words, when we 4b ~20% eff stack pre and check more than one street, then the jig is up and it's open season on our stack post with the remaining 2PSB eff stack.

We could still get away with checking 2 streets if the eff stack post was ~1PSB because it can go in on any street, especially on such a coordinated board that makes our hand WA/WB. The one thing we got going here is we have position but I a trying to figure out how to best use it.

A bonus question on the side is, how would we play our hand if we were 4b bluffing in this same spot and we saw the same flop with a hand we think has no showdown value?

Has loose/active villan played any 3-bet/4-bet pots yet? If so, what happened in them? Where do you put his range at approximately when he flats your 4-bet? What image (if any) should he have of you? Etc.

I'd probably check behind flop as well unless villan was spazy/bad, or had reason to think that I was the type to wide 4-bet/run over the table through consistent small aggression/initiative-fighting and bets.

There have been no 3b/4b wars at the table yet. Villain doesn't seem like your 30/5 LP villain, he seems like he knows what he is doing but with some leaks. His play gives me an indication that he might be primarily a cash playe as he was seeing a lot of flops in position and could somewhat read hands postflop.

My image is taggy, I played very aggressively postflop. At this point i have put to players in a decision for all their chips and one of them stacked off with T9o on a 5JTJr board vs my AJo. The very first hand i played in level one was QQ where i raised 3 limpers from the BB and had to fold the turn to a raise after i double barreled undercards.

I don't think i had the image of trying to run over the table, but the table was definitely starting to get curious due to my overly aggressive play postflop where i heard players ask each other "what do you think he has there"

These two things don't seem to jive. Sounds like people assume you are pretty agro. Sample size isn't large live over a few levels and people usually assume you are playing more agro then actual if they see you mixing it up in a few pots.

Your imagine doesn't matter to much here since bet getting in AA is a disaster vs almost anyone in any tournament on this board with these stack depths in a 4 bet pot. So we have bet/fold which sounds fine but a bit annoying. We don't know how the opponent will react for sure and we are not even sure how many bets we should be getting in or how we will be getting them in if he calls (unless we get a King).

This is a spot where you can be balanced by betting all your nut hands which might only be straights and sometimes QQ/JJ and a few bluffs which we probably don't have a lot of with preflop action and checking all your mid strength hands and some bluffs. It probably isn't a terrible spot to check 100% on the flop TBH

It does sort of turn our hand face up, but it doesn't mean it isn't +ev at a minimum and possibly optimal. If this was a 3b/call preflop spot then I would advocate a more aggressive post flop line but given this is a 4b pot I think villains range is so narrow that it smashes this flop and if it doesn't (say he has 77/65s sometimes) then this board looks like its great for our range so villain should be very cautious about making bets into us even after we check the flop/turn. I don't believe we're getting outplayed on this board texture post flop nearly often enough to worry about it.

As for the bonus question it's very dependent on the villain and our image. If its a nittier opponent I give up because his 4b/call 4b range smashes this board. If he's laggro then we can mix it up and barrel if he checks or float the flop and bluff the turn if he doesn't give up right away. He'd still have to give us a fair amount of credit just based on the preflop action.

if he c/r flop with sets betting is a disaster

Thanks for the replies guys. Seems like checking back flop is the preferred play.
We can get away with betting turn if he checks or calling if he bets. After that his only play would just be to shove river i guess and given the action pre and effective stack size I doubt he really does that OTR with stuff I beat all that often.

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almost posted the exact same thing

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Anybody else having HEM1/SS discrepancies?

My number of games in 2013 basically match (3 off, maybe I had a few that didn't pop up), but my green line in HEM1 is $7k higher than my SS green line. Even though the highest buyin that's missing is one $300 6-man.

My HM1 quit properly tracking 300s/500s after a recent update, started giving 3rd BI back; maybe that happened to some of your games?

Otherwise no idea, my HM is such a mess now that I've upgraded to HM2, player audits ftw

I'm still running that old internal one, I can't do simple things like look at HH replays, but I thought that was the closest one to working still for $EV. Thought the green line was correct a few months into the year when I checked vs. SS, so now I'm pretty confused old man.

Cev seems in line with results roughly compared to last ~2 years.

Yea green and red both worked ('work' being used loosely WRT EV line) perfectly for me up til last month at some point, then the 3s and 5s started being weird. Not sure what's wrong with your DB, it's all rigged imo

jfc, it has the right number of games today, but my SS amount is now $285 higher than my HEM (vs. the opposite year-wise with HEM > SS). Something payout-related had to get screwed up on one of the recent Stars updates with either SS or the old internal version of HEM1 I'm running.

It looks like $300s/$500 results are a bit off on some prior days, but today mine are spot on with green line = SS. But, the $200s, $100s, and some lower buyins are off green line-wise (not a lot, but still clearly off).

(*LOL-1st-World Poker Software Problemaments*)

can't you just check a bunch of your HEM1 tournament results to see if they are doing rake/payout correctly?
also, when you do this, make sure you check to see that the buy-in AND rake are both correct. (It may say $500 on the main buy-in thing, but if you open up to edit the info you may see the buy-in/rake are both wrong but add up to $500)

the amount you've actually won is prob different too so Id try to not think about it.

Where are the jumps in the Stars 6-max hyper turbos? $1.50 and $3.50 play identically, what goes on in the $7s? More jamming, wider calling?

A little better at the 7s, you wont see much skill until 15+ and even the 15s suck.

Oh, hi -- I'm fine, thanks for asking.

Good to know! I'm a b/r nit, so I'll be slumming it in the 1.50s and 3.50s. I feel like too many of them are just going to rot my brain though.