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02-16-2012 , 11:07 AM
just one question PS Walmsley on stars prolonging hypers decision:
wouldnt you agree that introducing hyper turbo heads up sngs was a breath of fresh air into HU sng enviroment on stars, wouldnt you agree that games are alive and most likely 'entire HU sng player pool' brings more revenue for pokerstars than before?
SO why would hyper 6max/9max full offering be any different?
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02-16-2012 , 11:11 AM
Nice post Steve. Which NLHE STTs do you consider liquid, and which ones are not?

I know a lot of people are asking for a lot of things. Can you please address what you think is realistic regarding liquidity?
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02-16-2012 , 11:36 AM
Steve, does Walmsley know you are using his account?
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02-16-2012 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldorian
Steve, does Walmsley know you are using his account?
Oops, I did it again

My name is Steve Walmsley. However, due to the number of Steves at PokerStars, everyone calls me Walmsley. I still occasionally fall back into my long-term habit of signing my posts and emails as Steve. I'll try to remember not to do it in future as it can cause confusion
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02-16-2012 , 03:51 PM
If you pass on hypers at some of the higher levels, and instead do something like offer them up through the $60 or $100 level, could you also add one at one of the higher buyin levels where there usually isn't much liquidity anyhow?

I.e. add one at $500 or 1k, since games don't run too much there anyhow (more the past few weeks, but dead for stretches). That would give a higher offering, but not overly mess with the liquidity of the other games that run (i.e. $200/$300).

For the people that like variance from time-to-time
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02-19-2012 , 04:57 AM
*Reload bonus for sng's
*Revamped Battle of the planets
*Equity chop when heads up
*Add 27 Player Turbo SNG's
*Happy Hr or similar promo
*Lower rake
**Take your time and don't fu ck up other formats by introducing hypers to early**
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02-19-2012 , 05:04 PM
In regards to BOP, maybe align the prize pools for each level based on how much is raked/week at those buyins on average?

If you play high stakes and 100+ games/week, the added rakeback % is awesome (5-10%?), but I imagine the lower levels rake a lot more $$/week, yet their prize pools are less. Maybe it's just traffic changes since BOP was created, but logic/fairness suggests it should be reset so more $$ goes to the lower levels.
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02-19-2012 , 07:18 PM
been lobbying for 27 turbos for 2 years now. DO IT
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02-19-2012 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbluffzinc
*Reload bonus for sng's
*Revamped Battle of the planets
*Equity chop when heads up
*Add 27 Player Turbo SNG's
*Happy Hr or similar promo
*Lower rake
**Take your time and don't fu ck up other formats by introducing hypers to early**
Come on PS Walmsley, let's start talking about some of this, like get some of this going asap.
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02-19-2012 , 11:09 PM
can we get 3.50 6max hypers please
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02-20-2012 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 18m beast
For hypers, my own personal request would be $15 AND $30 9 man.
Anything but this. Personally, I'd like 5-10-15 rather than 7-15 but as long as you don't kill the traffic by bringing in more 9-man hypers...
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02-20-2012 , 07:59 AM
We are considering various options for changes to leaderboards for Sit & Gos. Some of those potential options include a separate leaderboard for 45-180s, re-structuring Battle of the Planets or perhaps even a completely new approach to promoting Sit & Gos.

A survey seeking feedback on leaderboards and Battle of the Planets has been sent out to a representative group of players. If feedback from the survey indicates that Battle of the Planets isn’t a major factor for players when deciding what to play, we would consider changing to a simpler, cut-down version and diverting funds to other SNG promotions instead.

If anyone has any promotional ideas for Sit & Gos, by all means suggest them in this thread. Bear in mind that one of the major reasons for any promotion is to encourage new players to play Sit & Gos, although they have to make business sense as well. So while “Free money for all SNG players!” would no doubt boost the player pool, we probably wouldn’t go for that

Promotions should aim to attract new players rather than just moving a player from one game to another. Also consider the possibility of promotional ideas that might not benefit you immediately, but would indirectly benefit you in the longer term by boosting the player pool and making games more attractive.
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02-20-2012 , 08:53 AM
I liked the iron man on FTP, recompensting the players on the volume played regardless of the profit
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02-20-2012 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Walmsley
We are considering various options for changes to leaderboards for Sit & Gos. Some of those potential options include a separate leaderboard for 45-180s, re-structuring Battle of the Planets or perhaps even a completely new approach to promoting Sit & Gos.

A survey seeking feedback on leaderboards and Battle of the Planets has been sent out to a representative group of players. If feedback from the survey indicates that Battle of the Planets isn’t a major factor for players when deciding what to play, we would consider changing to a simpler, cut-down version and diverting funds to other SNG promotions instead.

If anyone has any promotional ideas for Sit & Gos, by all means suggest them in this thread. Bear in mind that one of the major reasons for any promotion is to encourage new players to play Sit & Gos, although they have to make business sense as well. So while “Free money for all SNG players!” would no doubt boost the player pool, we probably wouldn’t go for that

Promotions should aim to attract new players rather than just moving a player from one game to another. Also consider the possibility of promotional ideas that might not benefit you immediately, but would indirectly benefit you in the longer term by boosting the player pool and making games more attractive.


Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.


Some of us have stated already that we know we have to look at it on the business side too for pokerstars, so I am all for anything above.
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02-20-2012 , 11:48 AM
The hyper turbo sngs satelites with 2 tickets to the SM, daily 55 etc have another structure than the regular $1.50/$7/$30 hypers. Please make these sats the same structure as the regular hypers. It has a much better structure.
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02-20-2012 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PS Walmsley
We are considering various options for changes to leaderboards for Sit & Gos. Some of those potential options include a separate leaderboard for 45-180s, re-structuring Battle of the Planets or perhaps even a completely new approach to promoting Sit & Gos.

A survey seeking feedback on leaderboards and Battle of the Planets has been sent out to a representative group of players. If feedback from the survey indicates that Battle of the Planets isn’t a major factor for players when deciding what to play, we would consider changing to a simpler, cut-down version and diverting funds to other SNG promotions instead.

If anyone has any promotional ideas for Sit & Gos, by all means suggest them in this thread. Bear in mind that one of the major reasons for any promotion is to encourage new players to play Sit & Gos, although they have to make business sense as well. So while “Free money for all SNG players!” would no doubt boost the player pool, we probably wouldn’t go for that

Promotions should aim to attract new players rather than just moving a player from one game to another. Also consider the possibility of promotional ideas that might not benefit you immediately, but would indirectly benefit you in the longer term by boosting the player pool and making games more attractive.
SNG lottery tickets seem like something fun imo. You need to play x SNGs to receive a lottery ticket. Prices could be varying, bonuses you need to clear, step tickets, a seat to a SNG with a Pokerstars pro, a ticket to a certain freeroll, ticket to a satellite, amount of FPPs,...

People absolutely love the concept of lotteries, I think it would attract new players, but I obv aint sure about that.
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02-20-2012 , 12:43 PM
I feel vollume should be rewarded regardless of profit like Fulltilt did but not so top heavy maybe, so that your average dude can actually compete.

SNG madness and happy hours were also pretty good on Fulltilt.

I sound like a Fulltilt fanboy lol, but their SNG setup was really good.
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02-20-2012 , 01:13 PM
Just read the lottery idea. I think that would work really well.
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02-20-2012 , 01:19 PM
I love the lottery idea, but please do not use the lottery to channel players away from sng again => ie do not award large mtt tickets as prices...
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02-20-2012 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MouldyOnions
I feel vollume should be rewarded regardless of profit like Fulltilt did but not so top heavy maybe, so that your average dude can actually compete.

SNG madness and happy hours were also pretty good on Fulltilt.

I sound like a Fulltilt fanboy lol, but their SNG setup was really good.
Volume is rewarded via the VIP system... Maybe you can increase fish their volume by offering them double rewards, but I'm not too sure. I do like the idea of some sort of Iron Man ish thing though, where you are rewarded for steady volume rather than total volume.

I feel like the problem with the Battle of Planets is as follows:
-Fish can rarely get high up the leaderboard, it is demotivating for them to see how many players are "better than them" and the chance of them winning a high spot is near zero.
-Regs still need to run stupid hot to get a shot at any significant money, which increases the variance of these games. I figure most regs would prefer less rake or something more volume based

What is good about it:
-It increases competition and incentive to play!

So what I would suggest is that you try and create the best of both worlds.

-Keep the leaderboards, but reduce the prizes to the Battle of Planets monthly freeroll tickets for the top 20 on each leaderboard.
-Use some of the money to create monthly volume based SNG prizes incentive like Iron man, some stupid example:
200 VPPs 15 days a month: 20 dollars bonus for the next month
500 VPPs 15 days a month: 50 dollars " "
1000 VPPs 15 days a month: 100 dollars " "
200 VPPs 25 days a month: 45 dollars " "
500 VPPs 25 days a month: 125 dollars " "
1000 VPPs 25 days a month: 275 dollars " "

This would not necessarily attract new players, but would create an uptick in volume over all types of players.

Then use the rest of the money to create a SNG lottery tickets to complete the fun, where you get a lottery ticket for every 20 raked SNGs you play until a certain point where you would then get once every 100. At the end of the month there is a big draw where you can find out wether your tickets won anything. This would deff attract new players imo.
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02-20-2012 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PS Walmsley
Please can we have higher buy-in hypers is probably the most popular question in regard to single table SNGs. I have responded several times to this question myself in recent days. So, it isn't that we are ignoring you on purpose, it is just that we can only respond to a small proportion of the total posts about hypers.

At the moment, I can't give you a Yes/No answer. We know higher buy-in hypers would be popular. They would also have a significant impact on existing Sit & Gos. We just want to make sure we make the right decision. As soon as a final decision is made, one way or the other, I will post about it.
hi my dear

getting reasonable steaks for plo hypers wouldnt have zero impact on any form of sng because this section is a dead forgotten zone.

just do it please.

hilo is sort of halfdead only, plo is totally dead and now the scandis come man.
having only a 7$ buyin is borderline ridiculous.at least add 15 and 30, and afterwards u have my official permission to talk to the others again

deal.

Last edited by fgatorsusuck; 02-20-2012 at 03:59 PM. Reason: fear the wrath of the clown
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02-20-2012 , 04:17 PM
I have cashed a couple of times in bop - it is a nice little bonus but.... I did so through running redic hot/lucky. Bop in itself gives me no incentive to play sng. Bop is simply free money for players who play higher roi/less popular formats.

I suggest spending the bop money on key rings, stress toys and t-shirts ......play 250 sng this month.....get your free 'I am a PokerStars SnG Grinder' t-shirt
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02-20-2012 , 07:26 PM
To attract new players? How about a "play ten get one free week" for new signups? I know we all drool over grinders getting bigger rewards but increasing the player base is the long-term key to the future of STTs.

Never have liked BOP. I mean, yah, it's going to encourage fish to come back when they run hot and win a prize, but there's very little for the occasional player who needs to be incentivised to get a few more games in.
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02-20-2012 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
To attract new players? How about a "play ten get one free week" for new signups? I know we all drool over grinders getting bigger rewards but increasing the player base is the long-term key to the future of STTs.

Never have liked BOP. I mean, yah, it's going to encourage fish to come back when they run hot and win a prize, but there's very little for the occasional player who needs to be incentivised to get a few more games in.
+1,

the guys that hang around the fringes of the game and log the lowest volume are not really encouraged to play by BOP
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02-20-2012 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PS Walmsley
A survey seeking feedback on leaderboards and Battle of the Planets has been sent out to a representative group of players. If feedback from the survey indicates that Battle of the Planets isn’t a major factor for players when deciding what to play, we would consider changing to a simpler, cut-down version and diverting funds to other SNG promotions instead.
This is a really great idea and I like it a lot. I'd encourage you to ask before making any changes so you can make sure there will not be a bunch of hate on the changes from your regs.
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