I dont know, rather like the rake to be fixed on these hypers before adding new buyins, but the more the better still who cares that a few acient nonturbo grinders go broke now, games evolve, get going with it or gg IMO

might be the wrong thread but in the battle of the planets low orbit, do i get it right that only my first 100 sngs of the week count for the leaderboard?

I think i wasnt in the LB all week long but today somehow my name pops up in the top 10 low orbit.

edit: and i played 1000+ games over the week.

yes, only first 100 games count, LB resets on midnight saturday/sunday ET time, so today is first day of "new week"

ok thanks

Meh, I hope if they add a level it's $500+ so there's still some hope for maintaining liquidity for $300 turbos. Adding the $200s definitely did damage to the $200+ turbo ecosystem. I like hypers, but don't want to see others forms just killed off entirely.

If 6 SNEs got together, they could probably collude for a small profit this week by playing 100 $300 turbos together (BOP-wise). Even a few grinders leaving for WSOP really hurt those games going off.

Though if Stars doesn't make any structural BOP changes, just adding one 6-max hyper at $300+ will create a lot more traffic/competition at the Jupiter level.

Maybe they'll close the FT deal so they can start paying more attention to us whining grinders in these threads again

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There has been a recent dip in $200+ turbo traffic. It started about three weeks after the $200 hyper was deployed though. There was also a dip during the WSOP last year.

With the WSOP, Euro 2012 and the migration of Spanish players in recent weeks, I'd like to let the dust settle a little before drawing any conclusions about the high stakes 6-max offering.

You didnt answer why the rake in 6 max is less than 9 max,but 9 max is same as 18

Whoa, easy with your well-thought-out-rational speak there sir. These are poker forums.

Forgot about the loss of another market, there were definitely some Spanish players helping those games run at times.

sorry but you dont have to be a genius to know that these action will kill a big part of the turbo action because fish likes hypers, and so regs need to play hypers. If turbo rake stays as it is its not wroth for regs to play in sugh high reg% games and more and more of sng action will get hyper.

I dont have anything against that, but dont kid urself, u killed off 100-200$ turbo 6max action, and all other forms are gonna suffer with new hypers, just like all turbo formats suffered hugely when you introduced/ dons/5050s. its just the way it is

Sadly hypers are the future and why?It is very simple.Fishes are like quick profit.They will run good make some money and start claiming poker is rigged when variance change.I dont know why we discuss this.Pokerstars made the games tougher and tougher through time and they dont listen, and why to?They are the only platform worth playing.Kinda depressing that in 2012 there is no other platform that could sustain playing 20-30 tables

not sure if serious....

however i agree hypers will kill off all other games stars needs to adress something to keep other games alive

no, demand regulates supply. If casuals go to hypers you need to go to hypers

Why shouldnt i be serious?We are in 2012 and even in the ''biggest'' pokerstars competitor you cant play 24 tables not even 18 without lagging

I 40table and dont play hypers?and i play continuous thats why im not sure if your serious and i play off peak fwiw to add to it

You cant mass table in biggest pokerstars competitor like ongame or party poker.Pokerstars is the only platform you can mass tabling.Why should they bother into making the games better without having a decent competition?

If youre lagging with that many tables it's your internet or computer speed messing you up, not stars.

Jesus guys.I mean that now that Full tilt is off market and Pokerstars doesnt have any big competitor then they have no interest in making games better.What platform sustains mass tabling?Nor Party Poker nor Ongame so why to play there?So why pokerstars should care?Will they loose us from customers?Doubt that

lol you're all talking past each other. grindtolive is only talking about non-stars sites.


Better games => more ppl play them => more rake => more money to rub on titties for everyone.

I was willing to agree but you should consider that the people will be the same.The fishes dont know when the games are good/bad and the regs that they know they keep playing.If a reg makes a living from it what he should do?Quit?And do what?

We ask pokerstars one ****ing thing and still no asnwer?How can the ****ing rake be the same in 18 and 9 man while in 6 man is lower.Why the **** cant lower the ****ing rake in 9 man?Why the **** did they introduce KOs in order to destroy volume in normal turbos?The result?Both kos and normal are dying?Dont you believe?

The last week i didnt saw a ****ing table with less than 3 winning regs in kos.The last 3 days i saw all tables with 4-5 winning regs in kos.The volume in normal turbos sucks.It is destroyed.It is a miracle if the run 15 games per hour in normal turbos and i talk in peak hours.In the morning and early afternoon the normal turbos are 9 per hour.Seriously?

Sorry for my languange and my hate but pokerstars just dont give a ****.Why the cant do the stakes 15+1?Is it so ****ing hard?

Please put some spaces in your posts .it.can.be.annoying.to.read.this.way.

You're forgetting that guys who play on OnGame etc. are more inclined to move to Stars the better the games are. It's in everyone's favor to have many fish on a site.

I'm not qualified to answer any of your Q's but my guess is that the new BI levels were made so that rec players don't have to deposit some weird amount like $32 if they just want to play two sng's. And, if not for the current rake-level, I can't see anything wrong with it. I have very little insight into the whole KO/9m-thing so I won't comment that.

Any particular reason that 6/9 mans are award 10 BOTP points per player yet 18s are provided 8.5 BOTP points per player? Makes it very difficult for 18 man players to post a score and when I notice I'm doing well in BOTP I tend to try to prioritize 9 mans over 18 mans which is just silly.

Unless theres been a recent change 18m grinders usually dominate BOP.

Id also like to add that Stars should really look into expanding 9m hyper offerings. The 30s have been going off pretty regularly the last week or so. I think 15s would be super popular and maybe even 60s should be looked into.

Seems like there should at least a concrete reason we can have for why the two wouldn't get the points equally.. @ Ruse' statement - Some arbitrary 18 man players dominate statement doesn't really satisfy why 18m players get shafted on points.. I'm not particularly active in the 18m anymore but I know a lot of players who focus on 9m/6m when they get high BOP scores...

I don't understand why people think 18 man players have dominated BOTP. Often the 18 man players who dominated BOTP in the past have played a mix of games from 6-18, 18 players do very poorly.

I'm just looking at the Uranus list from last week. Not one 18 man player in top 10 from last week in high orbit. In the top 15 the only player that you could say is Darinvg and he plays 6/9 max on top of 18. So essentially 0 cashed, want to guess how many hyper/6 turbo/9 turbo players were in there? I understand more volume is done at hypers but 18 man players have almost no shot.

Go compare last weeks Uranus high and this weeks Uranus high, look familiar?