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Old 05-17-2011, 08:29 PM   #121
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Old 05-17-2011, 09:27 PM   #122
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I can't believe how much it sucks playing on this ****ty little site. Really not even worth the time.
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:14 AM   #123
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I've been playing mostly the $20 DONs. There are some good regs but its not horrible yet. Biggest issue is that is the highest they go really

Where did u get the > 35 % rakeback deal? PM me pls
Sorry, I forgot about this thread for a while as I have been so busy grinding day and nite on this site. I got it at Blackchippoker thru Rakeback.com.
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Old 05-18-2011, 06:01 AM   #124
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Cashman, you can get way more than 41.5% rb if you do it right. Make sure to sign up for super money tree and do some of the oneday and weekend VIP tier rake races.

So Ive played like 1700 of the 5.30 super turbos and have a 3% roi. My chip EV is 90% of my luck adjusted chip ev so i think thats prob pretty close to where I should be at. Im still adjusting to the format and 70/30 bubble too, so i bet playing close to perfect could get you 4-5%. Ill post a graph when i get some more games in.
I am on black chip poker thru rakeback.com. Can I get more than 41.5% ? What is way more? You're making me drool right now. I think its a bad idea to judge your Roi based on your all in ev line, after only 1700 games. There is a ton of variance in player fields, The way cards are dealt preflop in the first place, etc etc. And of course we know that even after 10k games your roi can be +- 1% with a 90% confidence interval is it? The good part is, you will know pretty soon as you can get in a ton of these things per day. The other good part is, like you said, you can get a ton of rakeback in this way, so you don't need to have a 3% roi but it would sure as hell be nice. Best of luck to you, I don't have the stomach for 6max superturbos.

(I just checked your stats on fulltilt and it seems you have played a ton of these things and may be able to judge your roi based on the assumed skill levels of your avg opponent. Impressive man, keep up the good work)

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Old 05-18-2011, 07:15 AM   #125
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I am on black chip poker thru rakeback.com. Can I get more than 41.5% ? What is way more? You're making me drool right now. I think its a bad idea to judge your Roi based on your all in ev line, after only 1700 games. There is a ton of variance in player fields, The way cards are dealt preflop in the first place, etc etc. And of course we know that even after 10k games your roi can be +- 1% with a 90% confidence interval is it? The good part is, you will know pretty soon as you can get in a ton of these things per day. The other good part is, like you said, you can get a ton of rakeback in this way, so you don't need to have a 3% roi but it would sure as hell be nice. Best of luck to you, I don't have the stomach for 6max superturbos.

(I just checked your stats on fulltilt and it seems you have played a ton of these things and may be able to judge your roi based on the assumed skill levels of your avg opponent. Impressive man, keep up the good work)
FWIW I believe 25,000 games only gives you 90% confidence that you're within 2% of your true ROI. The math guys say all in EV is like multiplying your sample by 3.8.
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:24 AM   #126
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FWIW I believe 25,000 games only gives you 90% confidence that you're within 2% of your true ROI. The math guys say all in EV is like multiplying your sample by 3.8.
this is way too conversative but is really part of another thread. also the all in EV is very misleading for SNGs and tourneys because it makes tighter people look better. and that is also disputed in the redline thread (as not everybody agrees with me).

I'm a luckbox anyways...
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Old 05-18-2011, 11:29 AM   #127
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Sorry, I forgot about this thread for a while as I have been so busy grinding day and nite on this site. I got it at Blackchippoker thru Rakeback.com.
thx for getting back to me. I want to say that this is just clever advertising by blackchip and that it is the same as the 35% offered at most rakeback sites (i used raketherake)

reason is that according to blackchip you get the 35% AND 6.5 VIP points for every $1 in rake. that extra piece is their additional 6.5% rakeback. I think that is the same offer I got thru raketherake

for a non-grinder like myself the bonus clearing sux. I've only managed about 140 tourneys since I signed up a month ago which has accounted for just $10 in cleared bonus. I had no problems flying thru my bonus at FT when I started (at similar volume, but slightly higher levels). It's something like 7-8X times as hard to clear bonus.

For the real volume grinders like russ it's no big deal. Just sharing for any other rec players like myself that the bonus clearing bites! rakeback is great thru and I love that it allocates on a daily basis
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:51 PM   #128
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also the all in EV is very misleading for SNGs and tourneys because it makes tighter people look better.
Sorry man this is wrong.

Im using chipEV analysis instead which is even more inexact. You can go into HEM and look how often you are getting dealt each hand to see if youre getting better or worse than average hands. But you could still be getting dealt good hands early and bad hands late or good hands when your opponents have really good hands, etc.

Cashman, i dont know what kind of promos bluechip has, but carbon has super money tree which is gonna get you an extra 8-20% depending on whether or not you have 10 days you do super extra volume on. They also have VIP tier rake races every wednesday. Add that to the dollar value of VIP points themselves and rb on Carbon is gonna be between 50 and 60%. Thats assuming you make at least water VIP tier and do 20 days of 250 points to qualify for the highest level of super money tree.

If you can achieve Ether without rakeback already being on your account, you can prob get close to 80% rakeback.
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Old 05-18-2011, 01:10 PM   #129
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Sorry man this is wrong.
I swear my HEM fails to show anything more than +0.00 when you don't play a hand. Id' think I'd see -0.01 every once in a while. maybe i need to go reread the redline thread and learn something? was trying to justify my 50/48 VPIP/PFR stats (jk)

ok... i'm done derailing.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:19 PM   #130
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I think you might be confusing equity won/lost in a hand with the differential between actual eq won/lost and luck adjusted eq won/lost. HEM shows the latter. Filter for just bubble hands and take a look at some AI hands you werent involved in. There should be some differentials larger than a few pennies (depending on the buyin)

PM me or post in the the redline thread if you want to discuss it since this isnt exactly pertinent to Merge SNGs .
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Old 05-19-2011, 03:27 AM   #131
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thx for getting back to me. I want to say that this is just clever advertising by blackchip and that it is the same as the 35% offered at most rakeback sites (i used raketherake)

reason is that according to blackchip you get the 35% AND 6.5 VIP points for every $1 in rake. that extra piece is their additional 6.5% rakeback. I think that is the same offer I got thru raketherake

for a non-grinder like myself the bonus clearing sux. I've only managed about 140 tourneys since I signed up a month ago which has accounted for just $10 in cleared bonus. I had no problems flying thru my bonus at FT when I started (at similar volume, but slightly higher levels). It's something like 7-8X times as hard to clear bonus.

For the real volume grinders like russ it's no big deal. Just sharing for any other rec players like myself that the bonus clearing bites! rakeback is great thru and I love that it allocates on a daily basis
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that most sites are advertising 35% and really giving 41.5% also? As far as bonus clearing, (assuming you are talking about the extra 6.5% RB) It's not that bad imo. If you've only gotten $10 so far that means I guess you haven't gotten more than 100 dollars in RB anyway right? But yeah, its 35% I'm getting daily and 6.5% through bonuses, which I have been clearing a couple every day. It is not that bad, compared to what I am used to from pokerstars!
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Old 05-19-2011, 03:35 AM   #132
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Sorry man this is wrong.

Im using chipEV analysis instead which is even more inexact. You can go into HEM and look how often you are getting dealt each hand to see if youre getting better or worse than average hands. But you could still be getting dealt good hands early and bad hands late or good hands when your opponents have really good hands, etc.

Cashman, i dont know what kind of promos bluechip has, but carbon has super money tree which is gonna get you an extra 8-20% depending on whether or not you have 10 days you do super extra volume on. They also have VIP tier rake races every wednesday. Add that to the dollar value of VIP points themselves and rb on Carbon is gonna be between 50 and 60%. Thats assuming you make at least water VIP tier and do 20 days of 250 points to qualify for the highest level of super money tree.

If you can achieve Ether without rakeback already being on your account, you can prob get close to 80% rakeback.
So if I'm already a rakeback player on Blackchip, (i loled at bluechip btw ) and I am from new york, so i can't deposit on carbon anyway, I guess I'm out of luck? cuz i def have been putting in crazy volume)
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Old 05-19-2011, 08:50 AM   #133
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I'm saying blackchip is counting the VIP points as part of their) percentage and raketherake is not so the offers are either the same or similar (not sure)

Per the bonus clearing it is not as quick as FT was. Once again no details but it looks like it takes about 7X as long (however at FT they deducted some bonus and VIP clearing from your rake)

Big volume plyrs aren't going to notice but guys like me who can only fit in 10-20 tourneys every other day it matters

Now all the other offers are better 35 is much better than 27 and makes up for it. Plus there are more offers/bonus for the bigger grinders like u guys. Was just saying the clearing bonus requires heavy volume
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:26 AM   #134
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Anyone sharkscope the SNG leaderboard? The top two are huuge losers lol HanleyRamirez, you only get 2k for winning the month but you're down 3.5k...I don't think you're doing it right.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:36 AM   #135
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well.. hanley has only a negative 3% ROI. throw in RB and that makes it a postive ROI, then add in the bonuses, etc and they are doing fine.

of course with a negative 3% ROI I am happy to have him on the table with me
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