ROI is 16, I realise it's probably quite a bit higher than my true ROI would be.
But thx to reassure me.

^Also possible that you just happen to be getting into a lot of showdowns for all your chips. Essentially, if you win an important showdown where your tournament life is at stake (even as something like a 60/40 favorite), you usually take a huge hit to your red line.

When you are running hot, the more often you show down for your tournament life, the bigger the disparity between your red line and green line will be. It's funny to think of it like this, but a good red line is more or less based on getting folds in important spots, not simply winning the hand.

They never do, my friend, they never do.

Would just like to inform everyone that the $15 and $100 6 max hyper Redlines are now working in the latest internal release of HEM, version 1.12.10. All I can say is finalllllllllly!

Ty for sharing. Do you know where I can download this?

Also, is it able to apply a redline for the games i've played already, or will i have to purge/re-import. Figured you might know since I'm sure you had the same issue.

You have to re-import and it takes a longgg time if you have a big database.

weeee. That should be fun. I think I can purge/reimport just the hands since the new limits came out. Kinda like not that stoked to find out just how much hotter than the sun I've been running.

I grabbed the link from the HEM support forum, and updated, and now my HEM just times out and doesn't respond when I try to open it. Uhhh, anyone know how to roll back to 1.12.09 until the official release? Not thrilled...

Nvm it works fine, it just took forever to "initialize database" the first time I ran it after update, and I'm clearly impatient. Purged hands (Settings, Purge Hands, then do everything 2/24-today's date) Now optimizing database and gonna reimport. Thanks for help, good lookin out.

yeah, mine was slow to load at first but once I got it up, seemed to be ok. There is an issue where every once in a while it adds some money in the rebuy category that shouldn't be there so you have to check on it. I just started a new database and imported all my previous games and boom, had the red line. It's been so stressful without it.

Yeah that's what I'm gonna have to do. Tried purging my existing database and that didn't work, soo gonna have to import all my games into a new database. All 22,000 of them. Fannnnnntastic. I hope I don't have to do this over again in a few weeks if $60s and $200s come out, although I guess if those come out, I'll be happy enough that I won't complain. Silver lining is you can give your new database a cool name instead of "holdemmanager"

if you go to you HEM archive for your hands you can load them by months instead of all of them, so you can just start with the month you began playing hypers.

you also might want to consider just taking the leap to HEM2. I'm still struggling with a couple HEM2 things myself though and I'd rather grind in my minimal free time than fix it.

for instance, I still can't figure out where HEM2 allows you to click on ICM to see its EV calculations (as I was curious to see if the DoN payouts for HEM2 were fixed).

those 22k games are all hypers, lol. Yeah I'm been importing a month each night before I go to bed. If I could have somehow figured out how to just reimport all my games from 2/24 onward and maintain my existing database that would have been optimal, but I couldn't get it to "forget" those hands, and not view them as duplicated when imported again. Purge didn't work. Highlighting and deleting tournies in data view might have, but it takes SO long for the select all to function on a big sample that even if I deleted in chunks it's not worth it. Could have gotten on to support but I knew a fresh database would work and is simple.

HEM 2's redline is inaccurate. I bought HEM2 and imported my HEM 1 database, and my actual was the same, but my redline in HEM 2 was about double. No one seems to know why, or when it will be fixed. I posted about it, with pics, in this thread if i recall.

Idk, I kinda feel like with HEM 2, I bought something that was like, nowhere near finished or ready to be sold. I mean it had been out for a while b4 I bought it, and I bought it months ago, and the redline still doesn't work or have an ETA? Wtf? That's a fundamental key element of HEM. It is THE reason I bought HEM 1 when I already had PT3 years ago when I switched products. I mean, I'd probably be more upset about it, but I do get great support on HEM 1 still, and even tho I feel like I paid over $100 for a program I have no idea when/if I'll be able to use, I guess it boils down to the fact that I've spent ~$250 on HEM 1 & 2, and that's peanuts compaired to how much those programs have probably helped me make over the years, so idk. I knew I'd eventually buy HEM 2, I kinda wish it wasn't sold to me b4 it worked up to what I would consider acceptable standards (being able to replace HEM1) but one day, in the future, I'll be using a fully functional and wonderful HEM 2 and they'll have my ~$130 or whatever and all will be right in the world. It's w/e. They'll get it together, I know they're trying. I am really excited for HEM Sync and HUD stats VS hero. Those are the reasons I bought it, b4 I knew the redline wasn't accurate.

Wow. Had no idea redline was messed up since i could never get it to download all my actual tourney results properly. I had planned on migrating on march 1st and never looking back to old $$ results but no way am I switching if the redline is broken. I barely use the HUD in game anyways honesty since I play the most basic of strat games... DoNs

Ok so from what I can understand the red line is not working on HEM2?

I know that this is an LOL small sample size and by no way am I asking for if this reflects my play (probably 20k games for these hypers to have an idea)

But Just wanted to make sure that I was comparing the the right things between these two screens for the red line.

Shouldnt $EV in the first picture translate to where the red line is on the graph??? Net Winnings+$EV=Red Line or am I mistaken on this. From what I can tell it should be around +46.47 instead of being around -160.

18s: Using ChipEV to calculate a "red line"

Hold'em Manger doesn't have an accurate all in equity line for 18 mans, and I was curious if we could use our chipEV to give us an estimate. On Stars, each game starts with 1500 chips and so in my mind, a difference of 1500 in chipEV is equivalent to one buy in. So if, say, you were 30,000 chips below EV, it would roughly translate to 20 BI.

But is that sound? I feel like I'm missing something here. I imagine bubbling should have significant impact on our overall equity (more than going out 18th) and this method doesn't take it into account.

You could do some quick checks on your STTs to see how they compare using that formula.

And headsup gives you cEV lolswings but means nothing. Just filter for both individually and see if anything is out of wack.

Here's an example plotting $EV_luck (which in HEM terms is the gap between red and green lines) vs cEV/2000 (2k starting stack for Party 10-mans):



It's not ideal as there are different levels all mixed up in this sample, but I think it shows that cEV luck and $EV luck aren't all that well correlated and certainly not enough to read off any sensible estimate like you were hoping...

In the past I've observed periods where I've been massively down in terms of $EV yet slightly up in terms of cEV and vice versa so the above wasn't really unexpected.

Juk

Kind of shows how big of a factor your freeroll good/bad is in redline, especially in regards to how good/bad the short stack runs on the bubble when all-in.

Good idea, just did that.

I was 255k chips below chipEV for September. Dividing that # by 1500 gives me 170 BI below EV.

However, I was only 103 BI below.

For 18mans I used to value early game chips more then late game and it gives a rough estimate of how you're running. Literaly, chipev on other hand doesn't tell you anything and most obvious example is that you cannot compare HU chip value and chip value on bubble or beginning of sng.

Also, you can get precise chip value on the beginning (chips/buyin) and in HU(all chips/difference between 1st and 2nd), near bubble and ITM in 18mans chip value differs so much cause it's sensitive to stack distriubtion you cannot do anything about it so here you're making rough estimates.

HU chip is about 4.5 less worth then chip at the beginning, and here it's obvious you can run 4 times above chipEV and actually be under real EV.

something has to be very wrong...6max turbo 20e at PS.fr



These are 30´s for the same period :



I´m in the middle of a nasty downswing but red line at 20´s scares me even more

the sample size is too small to make judgments

So I shouldn´t be bothered about that downhill if I´m sure about my game?
I have never seen something like that and I have play about 60k FR SNG