Official Double or Nothing Thread - Page 6 - STT Poker Strategy

crackedquads · 10-02-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spacegravy

I don't like these, i feel like a donk that would have normally played a 114 9 man turbo might choose to play these instead and their not worth it for a high limit sng player to play. Also, not really sure what your talkin bout dcj311, by lookin at the lineups they certainly look beatable, just not worth playing.

Yeah, your average fish of any level is going to be more attracted to a 5 payout structure vs a 3 payout structure. The only thing you still have in your games that might attract the fish is the faster blind structure. If stars caves and makes these DoN's turbos, you might be pretty screwed.

ibluffheaps · 10-02-2008, 11:26 PM

Looking forward to some1 comming up with a reasonable sample size and estimated ROI for the different levels.... seems like they would be extra fkn easy to multitable to an insane degree.

crackedquads · 10-02-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ibluffheaps

Looking forward to some1 comming up with a reasonable sample size and estimated ROI for the different levels.... seems like they would be extra fkn easy to multitable to an insane degree.

I'm actually going to put in a little bit of volume and see how it works out. I used to destroy these things on bodog a few years ago. I'll start 9 tabling and increase until I feel I just about lose my edge.

Mischman · 10-02-2008, 11:39 PM

TURBO PLEASE STARS!

crackedquads · 10-03-2008, 12:30 AM

Went either 6 or 7 for 10 in a set of $5s.

I noticed in the $5s I was at the same table w/ multiple people. This may attract rando breakeven grinders or maybe theres just guys who want to try these out before going back to 3 man PO structure. Gonna give the $5s a few more sets and make sure I'm beating them then up to the $10s we go.

A situation arised in one of my games.

6 players left, 5 pay obv, I'm in BB w ~1150 in chips and 2nd to last in chips, blinds are 100/200. Folded to the BTN short stack who shoves and its 325 to call (leaving me with ~600 after calling his shove), the SB folds. In 3 PO structure I'd call closer to ATC, but how does my calling range change on the bubble in this payout structure?

mugenjin · 10-03-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crackedquads

Went either 6 or 7 for 10 in a set of $5s.

I noticed in the $5s I was at the same table w/ multiple people. This may attract rando breakeven grinders or maybe theres just guys who want to try these out before going back to 3 man PO structure. Gonna give the $5s a few more sets and make sure I'm beating them then up to the $10s we go.

A situation arised in one of my games.

6 players left, 5 pay obv, I'm in BB w ~1150 in chips and 2nd to last in chips, blinds are 100/200. Folded to the BTN short stack who shoves and its 325 to call (leaving me with ~600 after calling his shove), the SB folds. In 3 PO structure I'd call closer to ATC, but how does my calling range change on the bubble in this payout structure?

Might be a good idea to post it converted since the other stack sizes are pretty influential. Would imagine that if there are no other shorties you'd probably have to call this atc as well. Don't know if anyone posted how to properly analyze these in wiz yet.

When a few ppl do get around to getting a decent sample it might be a good idea to include them in the faq if these do become popular. Even though i'm sure we'd see tons of " What ROI can I expect in the double or nothing sng's ? " threads weekly , it might stem the tide a bit

crackedquads · 10-03-2008, 01:28 AM

CO: $3177.00
BTN: $495.00
SB: $5308.00
Hero (BB): $1270.00
UTG: $1840.00
MP: $2910.00

Pre Flop: ($300.00) Hero is BB with 5

6

3 folds, BTN raises to $495, 1 fold, Hero calls $295

Meh glad I opened cus it wasn't as close as I thought. Let's say villain has 695 and it's 495 to me for the call. Still ATC? (I'd be getting almost exactly 2:1).

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CO: $3177.00
BTN: $695.00
SB: $5108.00
Hero (BB): $1270.00
UTG: $1840.00
MP: $2910.00

Pre Flop: ($300.00) Hero is BB with 5

6

3 folds, BTN raises to $695, 1 fold, Hero calls $495

chode · 10-03-2008, 01:54 AM

I am giving these a shot too... but i must agree these are not the funnest STT to play. I only played 3 so far and wow were they tight games. So far i cashed in 2 @ the 33 level on PS. Games seem to be neutral in difficulty. Also, all 3 games, took between 50-80 minutes, much longer than i expected!!

BenHanna66 · 10-03-2008, 01:58 AM

Watching 4 different tables right now, evaluating average play in these... Seriously I am seeing way too much tightness at my current level ($1 and $2 SnGs), not enough fish... I might play a few for experience sake, but I think it isn't going to be much of a profit maker...

I did the math, and out of every 10 games you play, you have to cash 6 of them to make a profit of 1 BI without the Seat Fee... To make any money, you have to put in mad volume and end up having at least a 70% win rate...

catfan17 · 10-03-2008, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BenHanna66

Watching 4 different tables right now, evaluating average play in these... Seriously I am seeing way too much tightness at my current level ($1 and $2 SnGs), not enough fish... I might play a few for experience sake, but I think it isn't going to be much of a profit maker...

I did the math, and out of every 10 games you play, you have to cash 6 of them to make a profit of 1 BI without the Seat Fee... To make any money, you have to put in mad volume and end up having at least a 70% win rate...

Cashing 60% would give you a ROI of 9.09%.

sevencard2003 · 10-03-2008, 05:50 AM

i think the reason i like them is cause i do bad HU and these are always 6 players or more til it ends. i am averaging 7-8 places in the money outta every 10 games, and i dont play more than 4 tables at a time usually less. however id suggest u play them on cake instead of stars, simply cause the rake's MUCH LESS and u get rakeback on top of it. not only that the players may be worse.

now this may sound dumb, but i cant figure out what ATC stands for. people use way too abbreviations on this site.

nollelva_au · 10-03-2008, 05:56 AM

any two cards!

Vorlautboy · 10-03-2008, 06:00 AM

any two carrots

2tonbobby · 10-03-2008, 07:50 AM

The fee is brutally high !!!

Not enough is being said about the crazy high fee. This is fairly close to playing a heads up tournament and in those the standard fee is 5%. When all the smoke clears these double or nothing tournaments will be seen as a tough way to play. Number 1 the fee is too high. Number 2 the fish instinctively know to play tight thereby greatly reducing your advantage over them. Number 3 non turbos will eat into how much money you can make per hour.

There is one potentially good point. If you are making most of your money from the Stars points system, you may be able to play a higher level of DON's and break about even playing but make quite a bit more points.

nulli · 10-03-2008, 10:26 AM

Quite a few years ago they started doing these on Ladbrokes where I played, they killed off the action in standard SNG's.