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[Mikhail's Fortunes]

Originally Posted by nomar2408

here are my 52s and some 104s. am i not a winning player or still to less samplesize? startet with 8buyins up, ending with 2 minus today




here are some hands of mine where i wasnt really sure. maybe someone can tell smth...

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

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MP2 (t2775)
CO (t1020)
Hero (t975)
SB (t1455)
BB (t1570)
UTG (t2980)
MP1 (t4225)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[], 9[].
4 folds, Hero raises to t955, 1 fold, BB calls t755.

Flop: (t1830) 3[], 3[], A[] (2 players)

Turn: (t1830) 7[] (2 players)

River: (t1830) 6[] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1830

Results in white below:
Hero has 4s 9h (one pair, threes).
BB has 9s As (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: BB wins t1830.


2.
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UTG (t2520)
UTG+1 (t1380)
Hero (t2550)
MP2 (t1110)
CO (t2445)
Button (t1825)
SB (t1820)
BB (t1350)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[], 9[].
2 folds, Hero raises to t150, MP2 calls t150, 4 folds.

Flop: (t335) 2[], 5[], J[] (2 players)
Hero bets t225, MP2 raises to t955, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1515

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP2 wins t1515.


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Button (t2190)
SB (t1890)
BB (t1245)
Hero (t1740)
UTG+1 (t1320)
MP1 (t2260)
MP2 (t1680)
MP3 (t1190)
CO (t1485)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[], A[].
Hero raises to t90, 7 folds, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t195) T[], A[], J[] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t105, BB calls t105.

Turn: (t405) T[] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t300, BB raises to t600, Hero calls t300.

River: (t1605) 3[] (2 players)
BB bets t450 (All-In), Hero calls t450.

Final Pot: t2505

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Kh (straight, ace high).
Hero has Kd Ad (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: BB wins t2505.



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MP1 (t1565)
MP2 (t1905)
MP3 (t1130)
CO (t1515)
Button (t1380)
SB (t1735)
BB (t1520)
UTG (t1745)
UTG+1 (t1440)
Hero (t1065)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T[], T[].
2 folds, Hero raises to t155, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP3 raises to t1130, 4 folds, Hero folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t1475

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP3 wins t1475.


5.

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Button (t736)
SB (t1810)
Hero (t2040)
UTG (t1549)
UTG+1 (t1635)
MP1 (t1365)
MP2 (t2945)
MP3 (t1360)
CO (t1560)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[], J[].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t255, 7 folds.

Final Pot: t295

Results in white below:
No showdown. UTG+1 wins t295.


6.

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SB (t1500)
BB (t1390)
UTG (t1470)
UTG+1 (t1605)
UTG+2 (t1470)
MP1 (t1440)
MP2 (t1535)
MP3 (t1635)
CO (t1455)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[], 7[].
7 folds, Hero raises to t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t195) J[], 3[], K[] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t90, BB calls t90.

Turn: (t375) J[] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t375) 5[] (2 players)
BB bets t240, Hero calls t240.

Final Pot: t855

Results in white below:
BB has Qs Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Hero has Kd 7d (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: BB wins t855.


7.

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MP2 (t1375)
MP3 (t2590)
Hero (t1880)
Button (t1365)
SB (t1420)
BB (t1470)
UTG (t1770)
UTG+1 (t1465)
MP1 (t1665)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[], A[].
5 folds, Hero raises to t155, 1 fold, SB raises to t1420, 1 fold, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1610

Results in white below:
No showdown. SB wins t1610.


8.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

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SB (t1635)
BB (t1950)
UTG (t1365)
UTG+1 (t1150)
MP1 (t1850)
Hero (t2340)
MP3 (t2240)
CO (t1030)
Button (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[], K[].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t1135, MP1 raises to t1835, 6 folds.

Flop: (t3075) 3[], 5[], K[] (2 players)

Turn: (t3075) 8[] (2 players)

River: (t3075) T[] (2 players)

Final Pot: t3075

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Ad 9c (high card, ace).
MP1 has As Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP1 wins t3075.


9.

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MP2 (t2335)
CO (t1330)
Button (t1530)
SB (t1680)
BB (t2825)
Hero (t2225)
UTG+1 (t1325)
MP1 (t1750)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[], T[].
Hero raises to t2210, 5 folds, SB calls t1590 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t3905) 2[], 8[], 7[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3905) K[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3905) K[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3905

Results in white below:
SB has 8c 4s (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has Ts Th (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t3905.

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Hero (t797)
UTG (t820)
MP (t3008)
CO (t3155)
Button (t2865)
SB (t4355)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[], 3[].
4 folds, SB raises to t1200, Hero calls t357 (All-In).

Flop: (t1757) 2[], 9[], T[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1757) 7[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1757) Q[] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1757

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah 3s (high card, ace).
SB has 9h 7c (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: SB wins t1757.

#1. I lean towards a fold. I know you need chips, but this is too weak a hand, you still have four more more hands to find something better. Yes you get farther away from the button, but you get called so often that you need something to fall back on. This would be a very easy fold if you were on the bubble. In this case, I'd say shove at most the top 50% of hands here, maybe less.

#2. Played correectly

#3. This is a hand where you want to control the size of the pot and not get into this situation. The flop bet was fine. On the turn I'd say to bet just 200 or even check behind. The reaso is that if you are ahead, he's drawing very thin and almost dead, and he may be drawing to a lower flush than you. The hands you're worried about are AJ, KQ, and Tx, and those hands are going to raise against you here. You were lucky that this guy only minraised, you should have folded the hand on the river after missing your outs. You don't want to play all-in pots early unless you know have the guy crushed.

#4. Played correctly

#5. Played correctly

#6. Fold preflop. You don't need to be playing like this in a DoN. Accumulating chips is not a priority. Hard to say which is better between checking the turn or betting again, either is probably okay. If you had a stronger hand like KQ then I'd say to bet because you are ahead of other kings and can extract more value this way. But with K7 there's a better chance that you're outkicked, and could benefit from a river card that either scares him from betting or prompts you to fold.

#7-9. Played correctly. I asume #9 was a misclick by SB, and given the fairly even distribution of stack sizes, you can consider raising to 450 and folding to a reraise. Even bad players will respect an UTG raise in this situation, and you can save yourself from a cooler. If you get flat called, its a probably shove on any non-ace flop.

#10. This one is kind of interesting, Calling with A3o is correct, but you don't have to call any two cards here. With bad hands, you can fold the BB and possibly even the SB. If the other short stack is a bad player (likely in the 10s), he may not realize that he can wait you out and willingly play for all his chips, probably with the worst hand. Even if he doesn't, you will still have the button and cutoff as opportunities to play a hand before you are blinded out. If you win just one hand, you will force him to go all-in, as he will be left with 20 chips when you are UTG, so when you are next in BB he will be all-in for the ante with a shorter stack. Obviously calling here with A3 is correct becaise you are probably ahead and if you win, you have enough chips not to have to depend on him to lose. But this is an unusual situation that doesn't happen too often, though still an interesting one.

[dawade]

I want to get some discussion about these on AIM (dawade05).

Shoot me a message if interested.

[billxo1b]

if their calling range is JJ+/AK, it is -0.2%.
if their calling range is TT+/AQ, it is -0.4%.

Originally Posted by nomar2408

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MP2 (t2335)
CO (t1330)
Button (t1530)
SB (t1680)
BB (t2825)
Hero (t2225)
UTG+1 (t1325)
MP1 (t1750)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[], T[].
Hero raises to t2210,

[The Lipo Fund]

TFG/Anyone: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...aments-258688/

[dawade]

If any of you are 'betojch' just know that I am spite calling you on the bubble with 100% now.

I shove 11BB or so 6-handed with K9s and all the 1-2BB shorties fold and 'betojch' snaps me off with KK with about 9.5BB.

[skwisgaaar]

I wasn't entirely sure about this spot, I ended up folding but not sure as the original raiser can fold some times? Is AA a fold here also given stack sizes, btn and sb were playing pretty loose for a DoN bubble.


Poker Stars $5.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t40 - 6 players
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iLLuSi0nz (UTG): t2390
BigBill322 (MP): t1670
ZAP36 (CO): t2385
ryry1974 (BTN): t4010
SexySand (SB): t2445
Hero (BB): t2100

Pre Flop: (t840) Hero is BB with K K
3 folds, ryry1974 raises to t800, SexySand raises to t2405 all in, Hero...?

[Landonfan]

Originally Posted by dawade

If any of you are 'betojch' just know that I am spite calling you on the bubble with 100% now.

I shove 11BB or so 6-handed with K9s and all the 1-2BB shorties fold and 'betojch' snaps me off with KK with about 9.5BB.

wow wtf don't shove there.

[crackedquads]

Originally Posted by dawade

If any of you are 'betojch' just know that I am spite calling you on the bubble with 100% now.

I shove 11BB or so 6-handed with K9s and all the 1-2BB shorties fold and 'betojch' snaps me off with KK with about 9.5BB.

So lets see, you're just about guaranteed a win at this table, unless you go and do something like play a hand at all. Shoving AA there is -EV

[blankoblanco]

Originally Posted by dawade

If any of you are 'betojch' just know that I am spite calling you on the bubble with 100% now.

I shove 11BB or so 6-handed with K9s and all the 1-2BB shorties fold

hahah, this is so awful it hurts me to read...

[The Lipo Fund]

honestly is the KK call that bad?

he needs greater than 80% equity for a call

and according to pokerstove:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,712,304 games 0.004 secs 428,076,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 12.897% 12.27% 00.63% 210061 10769.00 { Ks9s }
Hand 1: 87.103% 86.47% 00.63% 1480705 10769.00 { KcKd }


!!!!!!

[warmachine]

Originally Posted by skwisgaaar

I wasn't entirely sure about this spot, I ended up folding but not sure as the original raiser can fold some times? Is AA a fold here also given stack sizes, btn and sb were playing pretty loose for a DoN bubble.


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The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

iLLuSi0nz (UTG): t2390
BigBill322 (MP): t1670
ZAP36 (CO): t2385
ryry1974 (BTN): t4010
SexySand (SB): t2445
Hero (BB): t2100

Pre Flop: (t840) Hero is BB with K K
3 folds, ryry1974 raises to t800, SexySand raises to t2405 all in, Hero...?

It really depends on whether you think ryry1974 will actually call. If one of the villians has one Ace, you are about 30% to lose and bust. If you think you might be able to steal from iLLuSi0nz or BigBill322 if ryry1974 doesn't manage to bust bust SexySand, then I would fold KK here. You would have to be pretty solid on both those conditions being true if you are going to fold KK leaving you with only 4 BBs. If you are going to call it would help if you tend to believe you would isolate SexySand, i.e. ryry1974 folds (hopefully an Ace).

-wm

[Goadfish]

Originally Posted by The Lipo Fund

honestly is the KK call that bad?

he needs greater than 80% equity for a call

and according to pokerstove:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,712,304 games 0.004 secs 428,076,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 12.897% 12.27% 00.63% 210061 10769.00 { Ks9s }
Hand 1: 87.103% 86.47% 00.63% 1480705 10769.00 { KcKd }


!!!!!!

I think you forgot he's the K9 not the KK.

[The Lipo Fund]

I don't think you get the leveling going on in my response

[Mikhail's Fortunes]

Originally Posted by dawade

If any of you are 'betojch' just know that I am spite calling you on the bubble with 100% now.

I shove 11BB or so 6-handed with K9s and all the 1-2BB shorties fold and 'betojch' snaps me off with KK with about 9.5BB.

May I ask what the hell you were thinking on that play?

[Mikhail's Fortunes]

The KK hand is tough, mostly because if sexysand is a good player he will usually (or at least very often) have AA here. I would lean toward folding because there's a very good chance that there will be an all-in/call involving someone else, before you.