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07-22-2012, 06:36 AM
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#1471
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Does someone plays the hypers on Party Poker and win in them pre-RB? The rake seems just absurd to me and makes me think that it is near ti impossible to win in them pre-rb....
Thx for any input!
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07-22-2012, 12:11 PM
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#1472
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newbie
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
4 Players
$1.32+$0.18
Stacks:
CO bratbratybra ( 3,755) 13bb
BTN WeeDan121 (3,740) 12bb
SB pequenorojo (2,490) 8bb
BB d!@d3m ( 3,515) 12bb
Blinds: 150/300 Ante 25
Pre-Flop: ( 550, 4 players) WeeDan121 is BTN K  6
1 fold
Hero??
Should I shove here or is to spewy??the Sb was a 12/9 and the BB a 16/12 over 94 hands
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07-22-2012, 10:17 PM
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#1473
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
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Originally Posted by thepiper777
I suspect the difference between the $70k and $25k has far more to do with the volume of games being played. Now that the US players are not playing them there will be far less running and as such it would be impossible to make as much money playing them.
From my experience more generally the games arent much harder / easier than 2 years ago. The standard of players has improved obviously as it will continue to do but the number of US regs playing them dropped off which kinda balances it out.
I'd guess that if you were able to play as many games as you could in 2010 the profit would be comparable.
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Although it's true that volume has dropped to the point where it's close to impossible to make much money at these games, they're also tougher. The two are interconnected: some regs have moved on but many haven't so the reg:fish ratio is much worse.
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07-22-2012, 10:19 PM
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#1474
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
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Originally Posted by WeeDan121
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
4 Players
$3.16+$0.34
Stacks:
CO feariarann ( 1,090) 3bb
BTN WeeDan121 (3,870) 10bb
SB RollemHoldem ( 3,315) 8bb
BB LucePenfold (5,225) 13bb
Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25
Pre-Flop: ( 700, 4 players) WeeDan121 is BTN 7  7
1 fold
Hero??
the guy on the BB was a 38/29, and the short one was also really agressive. My doubt here was, should I shove and try to put some pressure considering that the blinds was high or should I fold and let the blinds take the short stack chips and conserve my stack for the 3handed?
*(If the english is bad I'm sorry, it's not my mother language)
thx
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeDan121
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
4 Players
$1.32+$0.18
Stacks:
CO bratbratybra ( 3,755) 13bb
BTN WeeDan121 (3,740) 12bb
SB pequenorojo (2,490) 8bb
BB d!@d3m ( 3,515) 12bb
Blinds: 150/300 Ante 25
Pre-Flop: ( 550, 4 players) WeeDan121 is BTN K  6
1 fold
Hero??
Should I shove here or is to spewy??the Sb was a 12/9 and the BB a 16/12 over 94 hands
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I shove both but I think you could minraise the second one fairly safely?
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07-23-2012, 05:29 PM
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#1475
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Ugh still not sure on the 77 hand. Do we really want to shove that into the laggy CL when the shorty is about to be down to barely a blind? I don't have Wiz atm to assign any ranges, but it can't be much wider than 77 if that's even a shove, no?
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07-23-2012, 07:00 PM
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#1476
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newbie
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Ugh still not sure on the 77 hand. Do we really want to shove that into the laggy CL when the shorty is about to be down to barely a blind? I don't have Wiz atm to assign any ranges, but it can't be much wider than 77 if that's even a shove, no?
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I agree with the fold just because we have a really short player that have just a blind
Well I put the hand in the sng wiz and without make any range adjust (on the BB) it would be a fold (the push range would be 99+ AQ+ AJs+), also wiz assumes that the villain range to call is pretty wide (17%) for a bubble situation, considerating my stack.
Which i think is really closer to the villain real range. So I agree that it should be a fold.
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07-24-2012, 01:44 AM
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#1477
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
BB never calls that wide and you don't actually get any prizes for being nitty.
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07-24-2012, 06:55 AM
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#1478
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banned
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Quote:
Originally Posted by grindtolive
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer
SB ($6,220)
Hero ($2,585)
CO ($2,515)
BTN ($2,180)
Dealt to Hero J  K
fold, fold, SB raises to $6,195 (AI), Hero calls $2,260 (AI)
FLOP ($5,220) 7  9  K
TURN ($5,220) 7  9  K  3
RIVER ($5,220) 7  9  K  3  4
Hero shows J  K
(Pre 45%, Flop 80.7%, Turn 88.6%)
I decided to call here because sb is regular and i know he will be very wide.According to nash suprisingly this is a fold.According to wizard even if he is in 100% range this is a fold
I would like to hear any thoughts here
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bump
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07-24-2012, 07:42 AM
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#1479
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Seems like a standard fold and probably JJ+ (ish)
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07-24-2012, 07:50 AM
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#1480
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veteran
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
yah, standard fold
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07-24-2012, 07:59 AM
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#1481
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banned
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
Seems like a standard fold and probably JJ+ (ish)
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I think even AQ is call here because we dont have any edge so you cant fold monsters bvb like AQ
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07-24-2012, 02:35 PM
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#1482
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old hand
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
KJs is definitely a fold, might be calling AQ sometimes
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07-24-2012, 03:21 PM
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#1483
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newbie
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$1.32+$0.18
Stacks:
UTG BRAK555 (3,645) 9bb
CO LPM25 ( 1,395) 3bb
BTN WeeDan121 (1,570) 4bb
SB playgood009 ( 2,390) 6bb
BB Diurpaneus10 ( 4,500) 11bb
Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25
Pre-Flop: ( 725, 5 players) WeeDan121 is BTN J  J
BRAK555 raises to 800, 1 fold
Hero?? The villain was a 24/17(over a small sample).. I would like to know if u guys think the shove here still profitable, knowing that he gonna call me many times here after he raises and also assuming that he's range to raise from the UTG is not so wide.
thx all!
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07-24-2012, 03:26 PM
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#1484
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newbie
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Finland
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Quick question regarding attainable roi in the 1.5 $ turbos.
Currently I am mixing 6man 9man/knockout and running at 17% roi over 500 games. I assume this is just me running good but what is a normal attainable roi for a solid player at this level?
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07-24-2012, 05:05 PM
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#1485
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: ****Official Beginner/Basic Question Thread****
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeDan121
No Limit Holdem Tournament
PokerStars
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$1.32+$0.18
Stacks:
UTG BRAK555 (3,645) 9bb
CO LPM25 ( 1,395) 3bb
BTN WeeDan121 (1,570) 4bb
SB playgood009 ( 2,390) 6bb
BB Diurpaneus10 ( 4,500) 11bb
Blinds: 200/400 Ante 25
Pre-Flop: ( 725, 5 players) WeeDan121 is BTN J  J
BRAK555 raises to 800, 1 fold
Hero?? The villain was a 24/17(over a small sample).. I would like to know if u guys think the shove here still profitable, knowing that he gonna call me many times here after he raises and also assuming that he's range to raise from the UTG is not so wide.
thx all!
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Shove really fast. You have 4BBs, and there are no real shorty ICM/bubble issues. Of course he's gonna call but so what.
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