What's up STT subforum!

I'm a 10nl cash game reg, but lately I've been getting a little bored with the grind and am considering switching over to some SnGs for some spice in my life.

A couple of years ago I use to grind the $3.50 45man MTTSnGs on stars, and did fairly well, but struggled with the swings. These days I've worked hard on my mental game, and I'm ready for another shot at it, but am thinking about starting with STT SnGs first.

Just wanted to ask a couple of questions here:

1) What's the general concensus on MTTSnGs v STTSnGs? Can compare them in anyway you like, just want to know what the differences are these days and what people consider more profitable.

2) How much harder/easier are the games today compared to two years ago? What's the Reg:Rec ratio like?

3) Do you think it would be fine to mix in some SnG sessions when I don't feel like playing cash, or should I really be focusing on one or the other?

Note: I don't play poker for the money (for now), so don't worry about the results in terms of money. I just want to play well and see some good results ROI wise (though again, it's not for the actual money, if that makes sense).

Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated, cheers!

Grinded a roll playing blackjack see you in the nosebleeds guys

Whats your thoughts on sitngo Wizard vs. ICMIZER? I downloaded wizard and have been playing around with it some. I like the quiz function, but I get the feeling they arent doing much in terms of upgrading these days. Havent messed with ICMIZER much. Playing mostly on Bovada. Looking to improve my understanding of ICM (which is pretty much zero now) to make better final table decisions for MTTs and STTs.

Is anyone still using PokerStrategy ICM Trainer? It says that it's not ok to push A2o from the button 4 handed at 6BB. In HRC pushing A2o in this case is +0.15. For me this questions the use of ICM Trainer to practice push/fold.

Returning to SnGs after a loooooong hiatus (last time I played was PS 33's around 7 years ago). I've been lurking for a while trying to get caught up, but I have a few questions I was hoping to get some answers for:

So, I'm wondering how much the environment has changed? I've been reading a lot about how you need a bigger BR now, but how about the standard strategies? For example, is Aleomagus' strategy still viable/recommended?

Also, my tools are long gone -- I used to use PT and import it into a spreadsheet. I'm guessing by now there are some better tools out there, but I haven't seen anything new in particular. Anything new for SnGs, or is it the same stuff?

Finally, when I played (before Black Friday), I could play just about anywhere. Now, I see my choices are limited. I live in the US (Georgia) and after checking a few sites, ACR seems like a pretty good places to play. I've been watching SnGs there and the play at the micro level looks quite beatable. Any reason NOT to play there?

Thanks in advance.

Is there any video site for DoN's? Or people that coach it? I'm a decent winner up to the $30's but want to get better before jumping to $50's. This is for 6-max though I'm sure the same principles apply to 10 handed games.

Can anyone link me to some good threads or articles that talk about hyper turbos? I'm looking to get into them but I'm coming from a purely cash games background. Anything is appreciated.

Hello everybody,
Sorry for asking this,maybe it's been discussed in the past but what would be the appropriate bankroll for a sit and go if I don't change the buy in at all until I have enough for the next level? I guess it's not the same as a MTT where it's recommended to have between 50 and 100 buy ins. Thanks guys.

This is actually a kinda tricky question because it depends on the buyin difference in x between one stake and the next, and the roi/variance of the game. I would suggest taking a 10 buyin shot (10 x the new buyin) in addition to 50-75 buy of the current level. Double that total number for hypers and super turbos. Double the total again over $15. Thats a pretty good guess.

Ex if you want to go from $1.1 to $3.3 turbo on stars then you need something like $88 and drop back to the $1s at $55.

Hi there, I am coming back to trying out a bit at the 6M HT on Stars after playing around at the spins. It's just in changing computers, I have lost a few stats that I was using like c ev / tournament and also even $ ev / 1000 tournaments etc
Can anybody help me with deciding which stats I should maybe looking at having, both for HUD use and reports?
What is a good indicator of play? In the spins it was cev that was the easiest and clearest indicator of standard and you just kinda had to ignore the $ev but what is relevant in 6M HT?
I'm using PT4 BTW

Thanks

Re: HUD, Depends how many tables, if you stack or tile, (to some degree size/resolution of monitor/what you can physically see) and ofc what you use.

Stats tier imo (I'm prob missing a few shrug)
mandatory #hands/vpip/pfr are the only totally mandatory. The 4th stat should be some kind of postflop aggression stat. Most prefer AF, but I like AFq. Some use both.
2nd tier stats are the really useful ones that are situational, but get used every game: steal, fold 2steal, cbet, went to showdown, wstd&won$
3rd teir stats are either positional steal/fold2steal or street aggression/fold stats depending whether you are playing turbos or regs. ofc for hyper put bvb steal/f2s btn etc.

Don't use more stats than you can see and will use semifrequently in game, as it is distracting, and that is what the popup is for.

Make sure to custom set the colors to something that is useful to you, easy to see, and not harshly colored. Do not colorcode every stat, only the teir 1 stats. Its ok to highlight really high values but don't make a ****ing christmas tree because it hurts your eyes and makes the actually important stats harder to popout. Eye fatigue is real and in effect the colors lose meaning.

Ah right cheers

The things that I'm keen to find out are the indicators of how well you're playing in PT4. In Spins you knew how you were doing by looking at cev, but what should you look at in 6M HT?
If there were any other bits of information like in depth understanding of 6M HT stats and playing styles as well?

So i wonder What is a realistic ROI% in both the 7$ and 15$ turbo and hyper turbos on stars these days. honestly not sure how many tables to play but i guess up to 12 for turbos and 6-8 for hypers (maybe more). I am supernova 4k vpps from now and figured i`d try Sit & go to see what its like as MTT variance is too much for the mind ATM. What does the best players have in terms of ROI and what does ok players have. Is it flooded with regs or is it possible to have somewhat a decent ROI? I understand there will be different ROI in both hyper turbos and turbos and 7$ and 15$. All answers much appreciated

You can use sharkscope.com and get an idea.

These achievable/realistical ROI question are always stupid. Surely 10% at 7$ turbos is achievable and for someone with the necessary skill realistic. But given that you havent intensly studied SNGs, this number is useless to you, unless you plan on studying it for a long time. In which case asking for 15$ ROI is kinda stupid, since you already put in the time to get good, might aswell look for ROIs at higher stakes...

Are spins tracked by sharkscope?

Hello, I've decided to try sngs after a good few years playing microstakes cash 2-10nl with multiple failed attempts at 25nl. Felt it was time for a change. I've started at the $1.50 9 man reg speed while I get my feet wet even if I am rolled for a bit higher. I have little understanding of ICM at the moment.

I would like to know what books are still useful in today's sng climate?

Colin Moshman Sit & Go Strategy and Kill Everyone are the books that have jumped out at me. Are they still good books for a sng beginner despite being several years old?

would someone please comment on my stats. i know its a small sample but still... wanna know if im on the right track. Thanks!
Playing @2.50 180man turbo

http://shrani.si/f/2v/UZ/46ozcWA/sdsd.png

Hello 2+2!
I'm a beginner SNG player(got like 300+ something games played), and I'm curious about a couple of things regarding training videos. First of all, do stakes matter alot? It's kinda hard to find training videos for STTs from my experience and some of them are not from micro stakes. Should I, who play exclusively micros, avoid those or can I assume that most of the things that happens in low/mid stakes are applicable in the micros too?
Also, are old videos still good or have the game changed too much that watching them will make me pick up bad habits? If so, is there any year that's like a threshold for when videos get to old to be worth watching?
Thanks!

I'm in same position, just started playing 1:50's on stars and its gonna be my main game ,there's alot of dated stuff but where is the up to date learning materials, coaching too expensive for the micro stakes ,sitngo grinders have old stuff ,who's crushing and willing to help.Skype mavman45

Originally posted this in Beginners Questions, but got referred to here:

Hi,

Starting a couple months ago I decided to switch over from NL5 Zoom (where I was a very slight winner over 90,000 hands, essentially break-even) to trying 9-man STT (Turbo). I spent quite a bit of time doing lots of reading on SNG's, focusing especially on ICM. As well, I read Moshman's book on SNG's.

Since then I've played just over 200 $1.50 9-man Turbo's, with the attached graphs. (I'm a Statistics student, and so I completely understand that this is a tiny sample size).

The biggest issue with my game right now I think is that I struggle playing short-handed, especially heads-up.

My graphs are here:http://imgur.com/a/Alq8z

As you can see, my yellow line is quite a bit higher than my green line -- 21 BI below expectation. Being below expectation doesn't bother me, but I guess my question is: Is there something in my game (i.e. being a weak heads up player) that could cause me to end up consistently under expectation over a significant sample size, or is this just simply a bit of rough luck to start?

Or in other terms, for a given player playing over an infinite sample size, should the yellow line = green line regardless of their style of play?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

No, the green and the yellow line are unlikely to converge, no matter how many games you play. You could play 50k games and run 1k buyins below expectation. (Reminds me on my 9man hypers career, btw)

The more you play, the more EV you collect, so that the ratio between won / net expected gets smaller and smaller. Running 1k buyins below EV isn't much if you earned say 5k buyins over a given sample in expected winnings.

Just focus on extracting as much EV as possible per tourney while playing as much as you could and everything will be alright.

Yes.

I still consider myself a beginner because I've only recently begun to have any success. I've focused on $10 10 man SNGs on SportsBetting.ag I'm a US player so my options are limited.

I've noted that by and large when the BB is less than 40, a 4x raise draws at least three callers. My reaction has been to bet 10x with AA and KK. This usually gets no callers and derisive comments to boot.

I'm satisfied to take the small pot rather than run into unexpected two pair hands. But is this too much of an over correction?

I've had AA cracked on multiple occasions by callers with low pairs and suited connectors.

I would advise you to rather learn up on board texture and opponent behaviours.

AA is by far the most profitable hand for any serious player with a decent sample.
KK is by far the second most profitable hand for any serious player with a decent sample.

Not playing those hands because you are scared to get cracked is a pretty hefty leak. Some might say its mental, but Id like to think its because you dont know the theory good enough.

Yes, Aces and especially Kings, do get cracked and the number increase the more players are in the pot. But you will always have the strongest hand at the beginning and on average on every street (including river). You will have to fold your hand more often postflop, but if you know when and why, those 2 hands will be your most profitable hands.

Also, have you tried 5x,6x,7x..? There might be a magical number which gets you 1 opponent often but rarely more.

This post is actually about an observed opponent behaviour. I.E. when BB is 20 the small pairs, suited connectors and 2 face cd hands do not respect a bet of say 80 and I face multiple callers. They never raise so I can't reraise.

That would be very true if I were NOT playing these hands. K 9 8 rainbow is not an obvious fold for AA. but if six people stay in I could be facing JT K9s 98s or similar. And board texture will give me no clue. I prefer to make it too hot preflop for those hands to stick around.

This is what I'm looking for. Typically I open 4BB and get several callers with BB less then 40. At 40 and above they discover the fold option. I'll try 7 BB and see how that works for me. I don't get AA and KK enough in the first two blind levels to have a large sample. Given that, the percentage of times they fail to hold up vs multiple callers is not trivial