Please don't slate me to much for this hand as i know i was awful. it wasn't me that did it, It was my finger with a mind of its own. As soon as i called i insta knew it was awfull. I think it harks back to the days where i just always called if i was ahead of opponents range.
But reviewing it im not sure how i should of handled it we are all evenish in chips on the icm bubble with no one under any pressure. so tight play name of the day so should i be open folding tens - 3 handed mingin . raise folding - i still don't like it, We going to be ahead of his 3 bet shove so often. Open shove. now they can only call with monsters that have me crushed the only advanatage besides taking the blinds is possible folding out jj and ak? but risking my whole stack for so little seams a bad risk reward ratio.
Mind you i don't mind bad play if we can always run like god and flop quads lol.

PokerStars - $6.48+$0.52|100/200 Ante 25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 14.15 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 14.47, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 83)
BTN: 15.61 BB (VPIP: 24.68, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 83)
Hero (SB): 15.24 BB

3 players post ante of 0.13 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.88 BB) Hero has T T

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BB raises to 14.03 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 12.03 BB

Flop: (28.43 BB, 2 players) A T T

Turn: (28.43 BB, 2 players) 7

River: (28.43 BB, 2 players) J

I think i should of raise folded my monster tens. icm can be biiiiatch.

It is a 65/35?
you can call much wider than you think

Come on man this is a fistpump r/c !

looks more like "MY ICM VALUETOWN", 6m bubbles with equal stacks arent as punishing as in other formats. If you consider raise/folding top2% hand, you should openshove yourself, but you miss value from low pairs and weak ax etc that would fold to a shove but 3bet your steal.

oh i see so played right flopped the nuts and still feel bad..... some people are never happy. But unfortunately proves my finger is more intelligent then myself gulp.

Calling to tight.... ill have to adjust that or ill get owned vs regs
I just thought he is shoving any pair all ax but also all broadway may be even some suited connectors? I just ran what i thought was a likey range for him and i only have 65% equity. Is that enough? I dont have sit and go wiz.

Felt like the only person who would benefit from our collision would be the remaining player?

and yeah payout is 65 35

you dont need sit and go wiz ;p its fairly simple to guesstimate

you all have equal stack = everyone has close to 1/3 =33% tournament equity
if you lose a flip you lose 33% equity
if you win you will have 2-1 chiplead in heads up, assuming no edge you will win 65 2x and win 35 one time, so your equity after doubling up is 65+65+35 /3= 55%. so when you win you gain 22% tourney equity
that means that break even point of stackoff is winning 3 out of 5 times -> 60% equity vs his range

also you might wanna think about raise folding losing you tournament equity, so your raise call doesnt need 60% to make it more profitable than raise folding, i'd guess that you need like 56-58% vs his range to make that call

Thanks dybbos great response thank you. you explained that really well. i was in the process of using pts icm calc. whilst playing getting annoyed that i have to use chips not bb's, checked back on the thread and that shows the spot great.
I think im to tight in this spot because usually theres a shortstack, well were not usually all the same stacksize anyway.
thanks to all for your responses

OP going forward do not post results, as this can tend to skew the responses that you receive. There is no need here to post what cards came off on the flop, turn, river you should have just ended the hand history after you called BB's shove pre flop.

As for the hand I agree with the others, raise-call here looks good.

Interesting spot.

Let's say you minraise ATC and he jams super wide on you. Let's say atc too. You can call 41.9%, 33+ Ax+ K2s+ K4o+ Q4s+ Q7o+ J7s+ J9o+ T8s+

It all depends on his 3bet % here. If he shoves 25% you can call 8.0%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+

Btw, you can also just shove pre. 72.2%, 22+ Kx+ Q2s+ Q5o+ J2s+ J6o+ T2s+ T6o+ 92s+ 96o+ 82s+ 86o+ 73s+ 75o+ 62s+ 65o 52s+ 54o 42s+

Where he can call: 18.4%, 55+ A4s+ A7o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+


Now you got to figure out, which is more profitable long term. Minraise/deciding or shoving pre. Let us know if you found the answer.

Gl at the tables man!

nh

wow suprguards thats a mega wide pushing range!!! to include hands like 92s!!
is this an unexploitable shove, because i guess that can be a long way from optimal. And tbh I don't think he will call as wide as 18.4% so could i open shove a2c in this spot? I mean i wouldn't but in theory and in isolation would this be unexploitable when we give him a more realistic calling range say somewhere 10-15 %
This thread has made me realise i think im to tight on bubble. Im having decent results but may be they could be better. Obvioulsy those spots where we are mid stack with a tiny stack at the table has made me to tight on the bubble where these conditions do not apply. Think im going to get sng Wiz and analyse a lot of spots. Then maybe i wont be such a noob lol. Do any sites offer sng wiz as free on sign up like some do with huds as i understand its $100 which is 1/7 th of my br at moment

Enter this spot into ICMIZER and see what it says - you can get up to 3 free calculations per day if you register with them.

thanks Zilblits also will help me decide between ICMizer and sng wiz.

Thanks all for responses love this forum can learn so much. The quality of the replies has made me realise im probably a bit of a noob ( dont want to call myself a fish lol). Haven't considered myself a noob for a while as have been winning consistently but i guess its all relative and the people im playing against is very different to the active members of this forum. Ill post in the beginnners thread for a while untill i feel im not bogging up threads with obv. spots/ reasoning. Thanks again for all replies.

raise/folding this is an absolute disaster theory wise and vs. 99.99999% of villains isn't the best option... so that leaves r/c and open shove (or limp, but in spots with icm pressure this is rarely best and kinda advanced so i would leave this option out for now)

most of the hands that you don't want to get it in against are calling an open shove anyway (except maybe a few exceptions such as QJ and so on) so you are kinda 'freerolling' him shoving dominated hands that wouldnt call a shove by r/c

also allows you to raise/fold some 'bluffs' if he has a clue if you raise/call a wider range.

I do see that this has a lot of truth in it but if we play the preflop raise/call line we also have to take account of the hands BB would possibly flat. Many of these are the ones we do fold out with a shove and in these cases we stop the villain realizing any equity from them.

I think it may be very slightly better to use the raise fold line but it is quite close when consider we might have to navigate a tricky post flop OOP game.

If we start with a preflop 2.5 raise to reduce a few calls and always c-bet flop regardless. We often have to fold to a flop V. shove (I would guess when called V folds flop about 75% and shoves 25%). When shoved on we probably can call about 30 to 40% of the time.

I think this line is just better then the preflop shove but not really by enough to be worth it. It seems to me any deeper and the r/c line wins any shallower and the shove wins and here we are near balance point. If the V. was very aggro. it's an easy r/c line but for many types the shove might be as good and simpler.