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04-22-2012 , 08:56 PM
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These are the two hands that lost me the most of my stack. Just would like some feedback and advice. I feel I played hand 1 great and just got unlucky. With hand 2 I feel like this was a horrible mistake and I should've most likely folded instead of going all in.

    Merge, $10 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12712682

    UTG+1: 6,950 (115.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 7,620 (127 bb)
    MP1: 6,970 (116.2 bb)
    MP2: 7,290 (121.5 bb)
    MP3: 7,710 (128.5 bb)
    CO: 7,250 (120.8 bb)
    BTN: 15,080 (251.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): 7,760 (129.3 bb)
    BB: 8,370 (139.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K J
    6 folds, BTN raises to 160, Hero calls 130, BB folds

    Flop: (380) 3 K 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets 253, BTN calls 253

    Turn: (886) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets 664, BTN raises to 1,688, Hero calls 1,024

    River: (4,262) Q (2 players)
    Hero bets 2,131, BTN calls 2,131

    Spoiler:
    Results: 8,524 pot
    Final Board: 3 K 5 3 Q
    BTN showed A A and won 8,524 (4,292 net)
    Hero showed K J and lost (-4,232 net)



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      Merge, $10 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12712692

      BB: 13,875 (173.4 bb)
      UTG+1: 5,520 (69 bb)
      UTG+2: 7,420 (92.8 bb)
      MP1: 7,340 (91.8 bb)
      MP2: 9,875 (123.4 bb)
      MP3: 7,250 (90.6 bb)
      CO: 18,957 (237 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 3,883 (48.5 bb)
      SB: 8,380 (104.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
      UTG+1 raises to 200, UTG+2 calls 200, 3 folds, CO raises to 640, Hero calls 640, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to 5,520 and is all-in, UTG+2 folds, CO raises to 10,400, Hero calls 3,243 and is all-in

      Flop: (15,243) J 8 K (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: (15,243) 5 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (15,243) 2 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 15,243 pot
      Final Board: J 8 K 5 2
      UTG+1 showed Q Q and lost (-5,520 net)
      CO showed K K and won 15,243 (9,723 net)
      Hero showed J J and lost (-3,883 net)



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      04-22-2012 , 09:05 PM
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      Hand 1: I'm usually c/c OTR, kinda turning my hand into a bluff catcher. Not sure if that's correct, but it's what I do.

      Hand 2: I'm not calling the 4 bet with JJ, I'm either shoving or folding depending on reads etc. If I'm readless, I think I'm deciding based on how I feel I rate compared to the field...weak field, I'm folding. Strong field, I'm shoving.
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      04-22-2012 , 09:33 PM
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      Do you not have any relevant reads for either hand?
      1) Don't think flop lead is bad or anything but we aren't getting 3 streets ever so I c/c. Turn b/f readless. Why did you lead river? Really don't get that at all.
      2) Not flatting the 3b either
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      04-22-2012 , 11:33 PM
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      Hand 1 you have to fold turn. Never raising with anything you beat.
      Hand 2 is gross but I think I have to fold pre if CO is solid because he is 3betting a UTG raise which means his range at worst is JJ+/AQs+ as played fold to 4bet because UTG range is only QQ+/AK
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      04-23-2012 , 05:09 AM
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      deviation of equilibrium
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      1) pre is good, check flop
      2) fold pre

      asuming both are readless
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      04-23-2012 , 08:39 PM
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      So far good feedback. Only relevant read is one regarding hand 1. I've seen BTN steal the blinds a couple times before so regarded this as just another steal attempt. With the flop and turn I figured I had the best hand and just wanted to bet out the flush draws however his raise should've been a red flag. I also led out on the river because I figured I had the best hand with no flush available and it's usually better to be the aggressive one.
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      04-23-2012 , 08:49 PM
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      Hand 1 i prolly raise pre and hopefully get away from it don't post results btw

      Hand 2 fold
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