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Old 07-02-2012, 12:27 PM   #1
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Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

Should this be an easy fold preflop? Button is 47/11 over 50 hands. First time I saw him raise an open.

b/f flop?

Revolution Gaming Network - $7+$0.7|25/50 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 2,459.00
Hero (MP+1): 1,774.00
CO: 2,460.00
BTN: 1,486.00
SB: 2,223.00
BB: 988.00
UTG: 895.00
UTG+1: 1,215.00

SB posts SB 25.00, BB posts BB 50.00

Pre Flop: (75.00) Hero has T T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 150.00, fold, BTN raises to 450.00, fold, fold, Hero calls 300.00

Flop: (975.00, 2 players) 2 7 4
Hero ?
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Old 07-02-2012, 01:38 PM   #2
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

Fold pre. Calling out of position is your worst option.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:25 PM   #3
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

just fold pre if its his first 3b. also, raising to 125 accomplishes the same thing as raising to 150 and saves you a ton of chips in the long run.
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:23 PM   #4
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

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just fold pre if its his first 3b. also, raising to 125 accomplishes the same thing as raising to 150 and saves you a ton of chips in the long run.
Yes lets put less money in the pot pre w/ TT when someone is playing 50% of hands.
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:54 AM   #5
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

Suggesting B/F flop sounds funny, what were you hoping to see on the flop when you called?

Either fold pre, or CR allin or shove AI this flop. but B/F is not an option here.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:00 AM   #6
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

folding pre prob best. but folding this flop makes no sense whatsoever
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:38 AM   #7
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Yes lets put less money in the pot pre w/ TT when someone is playing 50% of hands.
making 125 is standard but w/e
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:58 AM   #8
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

"standard" is not always "optimal"

consider your mind blown.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:11 PM   #9
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

Fold pre, early on in the tournament, plenty of better spots to get chips later. He's not raised before and you're not going to gain much equity at the chance of risking your tournament life. 450 chips is committing 25% of your chips pre-flop.

It's a wet board, what do you do when he re-raises your c-bet? Lots of hands would do that, any two over-cards, flush draw, etc.. You end up pot committed then come the turn, and you've risked your entire tournament life on pocket ten's when there's 8 players in.

Recommend you read Kill Everyone if you haven't already, it's available here on amazon.

There's a few good eBook's available online for free too which apply lots of the strategy tips in books like Kill Everyone too, one example I've stumbled upon is available here: SNG Strategy Guide.

Generally speaking though: save your chips for later in the tournament, unless you have the nuts or very close to it and are confident of a double-up.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:02 PM   #10
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

Thanks for the replies... I'm still learning to focus on my decisions and not be results oriented, but dang...

When he raised me, I debated folding, but decided my plan was to call and jam a favorable flop. The flop was exactly what I wanted so I went all in and he called with KK.

So calling preflop was a bad decision.

But as played, jamming that flop was the right decision.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:22 PM   #11
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Thanks for the replies... I'm still learning to focus on my decisions and not be results oriented, but dang...
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But as played, jamming that flop was the right decision.
Ugh, no, jamming is pretty terrible.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:44 PM   #12
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

@mituozo - I've read 'kill phil' and currently working through moshman's 'Sit 'n Go Strategy'. Will pick up kill everyone next.

@acbarone - as played, what's the right decision on that flop?
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Old 07-05-2012, 05:52 PM   #13
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Re: Lay Down TT Preflop vs raise from loose button

folding at some point seems good.
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Old 07-05-2012, 06:15 PM   #14
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@mituozo - I've read 'kill phil'
Using that as a guide for STTs is pretty bad.

And jamming the flop is pointless because you are only getting called by hands that crush you. Just fold pre.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:18 PM   #15
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@mituozo - I've read 'kill phil' and currently working through moshman's 'Sit 'n Go Strategy'. Will pick up kill everyone next.

@acbarone - as played, what's the right decision on that flop?
Yeah defo give kill everyone a go, it has lots of SNG specific advice, whereas Kill Phil is more focussed on MTT's, which are pretty different for a number of reasons.
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