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Old 03-08-2017, 09:16 PM   #1
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JJ nightmare

    Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
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    SB: 2,149 (71.6 bb)
    BB: 3,030 (101 bb)
    UTG+2: 564 (18.8 bb)
    Hero (MP1): 1,592 (53.1 bb)
    MP2: 2,019 (67.3 bb)
    MP3: 1,247 (41.6 bb)
    CO: 1,405 (46.8 bb)
    BTN: 1,494 (49.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J J
    UTG+2 calls 30, Hero raises to 120, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls 90

    Flop: (317) 4 3 A (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 120, Hero calls 120

    Turn: (557) 5 (2 players)
    UTG+2 bets 320 and is all-in, Hero calls 320

    River: (1,197) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 03-09-2017, 03:16 AM   #2
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    Re: JJ nightmare

    This is a tough one as your in a tricky spot. Your low on blinds but I don't know if a shove is worth it pre flop. I think you should raise larger which the intention of calling and all in to give him poor odds to come in the pot with his weak aces, medium kings etc.
    On the flop it's again tough as he is most likely calling with an ace from utg+2 so he will most always be ahead, your also in a bad spot as you don't have a pot sized bet behind.
    For these reasons a large pre flop raise should be put in maybe around 200-230, as there is already 70 in the pot (the blinds +his call) so he will have poor odds too call.


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    Old 03-09-2017, 04:19 AM   #3
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    Re: JJ nightmare

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    This is a tough one as your in a tricky spot. Your low on blinds but I don't know if a shove is worth it pre flop. I think you should raise larger which the intention of calling and all in to give him poor odds to come in the pot with his weak aces, medium kings etc.
    On the flop it's again tough as he is most likely calling with an ace from utg+2 so he will most always be ahead, your also in a bad spot as you don't have a pot sized bet behind.
    For these reasons a large pre flop raise should be put in maybe around 200-230, as there is already 70 in the pot (the blinds +his call) so he will have poor odds too call.


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    Just seen there was antes too so that should be even more of an incentive to raise larger to take the odds away from him calling
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      Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: 2,149 (71.6 bb)
      BB: 3,030 (101 bb)
      UTG+2: 564 (18.8 bb)
      Hero (MP1): 1,592 (53.1 bb)
      MP2: 2,019 (67.3 bb)
      MP3: 1,247 (41.6 bb)
      CO: 1,405 (46.8 bb)
      BTN: 1,494 (49.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with JJJ nightmare: JJJ nightmare
      UTG+2 calls 30, Hero raises to 120, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls 90

      Flop: (317) 4JJ nightmare: 3JJ nightmare: AJJ nightmare (2 players)
      UTG+2 bets 120, Hero calls 120

      Turn: (557) 5JJ nightmare: (2 players)
      UTG+2 bets 320 and is all-in, Hero calls 320

      River: (1,197) 6JJ nightmare (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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      Old 03-09-2017, 06:30 AM   #4
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      Fold Turn.
      Not many bluffs in range. The hands that may limp-bluff flop just got there. He can certainly limp A rags and possibly small pairs. The pot looks like it might be too big to give up on but unless he is bluffing with some random Q9 or 58s type hands you will be drawing to 2 jacks giving you only 4% equity needing like 20:1 or something. You could quite easily be drawing dead too.
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      Old 03-09-2017, 09:28 AM   #5
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      Thanks, i will be betting bigger in the further. Thanks
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      Old 03-20-2017, 01:34 PM   #6
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      I was watching an older video that mentioned if someone is low on chips in the early blind they are probably too loose. Could we apply that assumption here to help us put A rag as a high probability of his range?
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      Old 03-20-2017, 09:02 PM   #7
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      He's just not bluffing turn enough here.
      Just fold turn.
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      Old 03-21-2017, 08:42 AM   #8
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      Lots of raggy aces in villains range. If you start with the pre flop limp and work your way through the hand I think youl recognise that this is rarely 66s - 10s and almost never a complete bluff. You need a discplined turn fold.
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      Old 03-21-2017, 06:47 PM   #9
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      Agree about folding turn also. Otherwise fine as played.
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      Old 04-27-2017, 11:12 AM   #10
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      Re: JJ nightmare

      I find this one to be tough preflop to throw in some food for thought. Maybe (or may not, depending on reads) there are better sizings than 4x
      As played I call flop and fold turn.

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