Hey all!!

Today I have this situation , 3 handed with 66 how is the best way to play this spot ... I dont want to MR/C or MR/F her ... but I dont know if shoev 18bbs is OK here ..

Opinions?

minraise...

Thanks , can you tell me from that point you shove?

Very rare situations maybe upto 14bb (like if big blind villain in above shoves on you more than 50%, abusing the bubble and that the small blind is folding). If raising is ok and you are not getting bubble abused, then less than 12 bb you should change from minraising to shove or fold.

Don't have much of a clue of 18m ICM, but this looks like a spot where anything can be best (well yeah, not openfolding obv ) depending on reads, including limping and using raise sizes that might appear weird.

It is 66.6/33.3 now, so its basically a 6m bubble.

If opponents are mostly folding or jamming to a nonshove open then I think openfolding can be better than minraising or jamming.

Hm yeah true. But do ppl jam a wide range over limps there plus have no or very small r/f ranges? Idk, guess that's rare, some info would help.

Thanks guys for response , what do you think about limp in BU too weak?

If u limp u need plans what to do for diff scenarios. Problem is that this depends on villains a lot, so no one can give u an answer on that w/o further info. Also it's pretty complicated anyway. Readless def don't limp there.

OK thanks

You first need to have a reason to do anything but minraise, and you haven't really given us one.

My first thought was openshove for play unexploitable but later I think is too much , but see answers in this thread I can play different not shove obligatory , I dont understand when Ruse say Openfolding , anyone can help me with that?

Open folding is folding when action is first on you.

What I said in my post is if villains will mostly be reshoving or folding vs an open, 66 plays horribly and folding will prob be superior to jamming or minraising.

This spot is super villain dependent. If you're gonna have much of a r/f range bb can rejam ATC and sb pretty wide as well. But at the same time profitable jams become super unprofitable when villains call wider than they should. The ranges ICM calcs will spit out also assume that villains are clashing at eq when you fold and future hands will be b/e ev for all players. These will almost never be true and adjusting for those changes what you should do in this spot. Being that its 3h in an 18m you will have some reads, and if not you're better off plugging that leak than figuring out what to do in a readless specific situation such as this.

^^^^This this this man.

When you provide very hazy reads like in the OP (where there are none), people can't be expected to discuss every possibility. You could write half a book on this spot with different calcluations or the OP could just provide some reads so we understand the situation and give good advice.

Like judging by your replies OP just bringing up the possibility of open fold seems to have confused you, which is why I didn't really even mention it the first few posts I made. I strongly considered writing a long post in my 2nd reply but didn't want to as I thought it best to explain the most likely scenario and not muddy things more.

Cliffs, it is not considerate of the posters responding to expect them to answer every question and possibility.

OP, not saying this to insult you or put you off, but so you can get the most out of this forum, ask pointy stick questions that will lead you to correct answers. If Ruse responds thinking you are getting pawnd and I respond thinking it is vanillavillain101, you should take Ruse's advice (since he is much better player imo) but man my damn advice is right most of the time in this situation (since most villains suck and wont pwn you atc). You seem confused about the answers you are getting and if so it is cause you didn't really present the hand in an answerable format.

I put here bc I want to know how , otherwise we could play this spot and I see that many , srry if my question is not well formulated if my question is not well formulated, I will try that when I have other hand be more specific , I love learn and see my failure to correct

Thanks all

NP man, just don't want you to get a wrong answer when you could explain a little more and get a good, correct answer.

Youre fine padrino you didnt do anything wrong. It's hard sometimes to have multiway discussions when people in the thread are at different levels. I think your instincts were correct, its a gross spot to either r/c or r/f and stuff like smaller pairs are the type of hands you want to be jamming here. Hopefully weve given you an outline of what kind of things to account for in this spot and how to adjust to different villains.

But for sure, having a read on villains is really important and will make for more interesting conversation.

gl

Take note and again thanks !