So I have a goal of making 2-3k a month playing $7 triple up sng 9max reg top 3 pay $21 each. But I'm not sure about how many I need to play per day week or month . I usually don't play more then 3 per day if I win the first one I usually stop and play the next day . I would say I'm an average player I know I can win at this level . And I would say my roi is probably something around 10-20% . I don't have tracking software so I don't really know. So can someone break the numbers down for me because I'm tired of only making a couple hundred a month I need to make more . So how much volume is needed to make this achievable. Also Ignition only allows 4 tables at a time.

TBH
I don't see how you can be making $200 a month only playing ~3 a day (90-100 tourneys a month). To achieve this, you'd need an ROI of at least 30%.

To answer your question:
An ROI of 10% is equivalent to 70c/tourney so to win $3,000 you need to play
~4,200 tourneys / month.
~140 / day
35 sessions of 4 tables each
Say an average ~30 mins/tourney and that's ~17.5 hours a day - every day



You're currently playing ~3/day and not tracking your results, so can't be certain of your current roi

GL

Thanks for the reply. OK so it just seems like this isn't possible at this level and I'll continue to waste my time on these . I've tried taking a few shots at the $15 level but Imy not able to consistently win I'll win a few then I'll lose it and have to drop back down I'm not sure if it's because I don't have a Hud and the other player do or what. I'm starting to think I should switch over to hyper turbos so then I'll be able to put in the volume that I need to make decent money. But I don't know where to start with them . I heard the varience is crazy if I start with 100buyins at the 1.50 level is there a high chance of me loosing it all?


Sorry if im making this so long I just really need some advice I've been playing these triple ups since last August started at the $3 level but have been stuck on the $7 since December at least . So I feel like I'm wasting my time at this point .

I'm grinding $3 - $10 buy ins and I'm not making anything close to that. l can't advise you how to get to that level but the fact that you describe your skill level as average, play low volume and don't use tracking software (essential) indictates that you are nowhere near achieving this goal. Re-assess and set a realistic goal.

Not to be harsh, or be a dick or anything, but the fact that you're asking these questions means that you're nowhere near the level you would need to be for this to be possible anytime soon. Someone that is capable of making even a halfway decent living at SNGs, would already know the answer to all of the questions you're asking. I would highly doubt your roi is around 20% so that's a problem right off the bat. Second I'm assuming you can't multitable since in your post you pretty much stated that you play one at a time, and 3rd making 3k a month playing even 4 tables at a time at the $7 level would be pretty close to impossible even for the best sng player in the world even with unlimited potential volume on a bigger site like pokerstars. If you want some realistic advice, browse the strat forums here a lot, buy some of the software that helps improve your game such as PT4/HM2 and HRC/ICMizer, and get some private coaching. Review your HHs and work on your leaks and work on getting to the point where you can comfortably 2 table and 3 and then 4, and once you have played a couple thousand games you'll have a decent idea of what your winrate is and can make some good assumptions about what your potential profit per month will be. GL.

Thanks everyone for the feedback I really appreciate it ok I crunched some numbers and I would basically have to move up to the $25 level play around 20 sngs Per day and maintain a roi between 15-20% each month to make this obtainable. I guess I'll also need to purchase pt4 and icmizer to hopefully improve my game. So given these numbers would you guys say this is doable to maintain a 15-20% roi at this level ?

No that ROI isn't doable, but it's doable to play a lot more than 20 SNGs per day.

About the general question, learn to play poker well first. The possibility to make money at it will present itself organically in time.

i don't think you are not consistently beating $15s because of lack of HUD. A HUD is semi-useless on Bovada. U get hud numbers for one tournament, no one is using a HUD that effectively against you at the $15s from keeping you from beating them, the players are simply better as you move up.

A hud on bovada can help identify a few quick things and thats about it. for instance, if i am multitabling and havent paid very good attention, i look at my bovada hud or stats on a guy that i am facing, however i have 20 total hands versus him (meaningless) but if he played like 70% of the hands i can quickly identify that he is most likely a huge whale. other than that, u need some pretty long sessions with the same people to start gathering any kind of real data(in sngs this wont happen, they are fast paced)

I just purchased pt4 yesterday and right off the bat I realized that for myself sure it gives you a bit of information that's useful like the number of hands played or cbet fold percentage but given we usually play less then 50- 80 hands it doesn't quite become that effective especially if we're all playing with under 15blinds. But I'll try to put in some good volume for the month and hopefully I'll show some profit and can give a slight example of my roi .

^ If that's the only info you need then you will be fine with the free FPDB hud.

I think you are setting yourself up for failure. ROI expectations are unrealistic and compensating for the lower ROI by simply saying you will move up in stakes is unrealistic as well (higher stakes = higher skill level required). Compensating again by saying you could move on to hypers is unrealistic as well (even at the turbos the swings can get to you sometimes so I'm guessing you have to be 100% sure you know what you are doing at the hypers to not go insane if things aren't going your way and you experience a massive downswing).

I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure you can make it, just don't follow a gameplan that is destined to fail from the outset. As was stated before, you need to reassess your situation.

I think other posters have been hitting this as well, but I think it's important to be extremely blunt here before you lose real money and/or your livelihood: your goal isn't realistic given your circumstances and you seem woefully unprepared to pursue it. You clearly are very early in your poker progression, and I worry that you're setting such high monetary goals because you need money to meet real life obligations. If that's the case, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THAT THROUGH POKER. It will not work.

Thanks everyone for the feedback i put in a session of 16games and cashed 7-16. Definitely made maybe 3 clear mistakes had QQ four handed on the bubble with 16bb and got min 3bet from a agro player playing 38/46/3b17 over 75 hands and I flat instead of shoving pretty ace high flop and he donk jams I fold . And also tried to steal on the bubble with 9,3o and got called and loss. Overall since yesterday I've played 19 and cashed 9 hopefully I can keep it up for the month and make a decent profit I'll even be satisfied with 1k in profit because I sure do need it right now

ill be harsh in order to be nice

you volume is sh it...

roi mentioned is not even close to realistic, its not promising that you got this so wrong...

how much you cashed in the last 16games is irrelevant and shouldnt be mentioned...

...if you want to make even 1k/month you need to immediately(now) change how much you invest in poker- time, energy and money


ive never advised anyone to get in a staking/coaching stable before....but TBH it sounds like thats exactly what you need to do, in order to motivate and guide you

Well I've been playing these for about 4 or 5 months even though I would only play maybe 3 or 4 games at most but I was aware of how often I would cash something around 40-50% them even though I didn't have any tracking software . Now that I have pt4 I've played about 43 of them in the last 3 days and it backs up my suspension of the amount of times I would cash . Also even though it's a small sample size my roi is what I thought it was so I now know how many I should play per day . But this month will be a test run . Next month I'll put in twice the volume per day. Thanks everyone for the feedback I really appreciate .

so after 43games you "backed up youre suspicions of the amount of times you cash"...

gl to you sir

lol well yes from the previous months i would say ive played about 500 games or so and im pretty sure my itm was something around 40-50 percent, i dont see why this would change just because of the volume increase but we shall see at the end of this month ill aim for about 500 games or so.

How much did your BR increase as a result of those 500 games?

How are you using Poker Tracker 4 on anonymous players?

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Heres a graph of my results over 200 games roi 15%. I really need feedback on if smaller tournaments will be more profitable then playing sitngos lets say a 50-200 person tournament rather then grinding out sitngo ive made about 220 from march 4 till now. Basically am i better off playing smaller tournaments with the same buyin amout around $5 will i be able to consistently make money or will it be even harder?

If you switched to mtts you would (probably) make more money, but it would be less consistent money, and it would be harder.

So more money but less consistent vs consistent but less money. I'll be happy if I could just make 1k a month. Starting next month I'll try to put in more volume I currently play something around 9-16 of these per day . Next month I'll try to play around 30 per day. I really hope that I'll make more then 250 in a month I'm tired of just scrapping a small profit every month.

Play what is fun to you and be grateful for having received 250 bucks from a hobby others are paying for

I think I'm just going to switch over to mtts. The thing I just don't like about sitngos are bubbling them , since I'm a tight player I usually get raised into or played aggressive towards. And it's really not a good feeling when you know your being raised into light but can't do anything because your not deep enough . So hopefully I'll make more money playing mtts.

So i know i said i was going to switch over to mtts but i think im actually going to switch to zoom cash games instead, I played about 500 hands so far and i enjoy it more then any other format. I want to list the differences between both to get some feedback.

Cash game Pros. Deepstack play, Blinds dont increase making your stack shorter, You dont have to go all in with marginal hands hoping you dont get called. Improves your post flop play and analysis helping you improve as a player.

Sng pros. Honestly im having a hard time finding any pros about sitngos besides the payouts. Even if you double your stack your not guaranteed to cash.


Cash game cons. Playing deepstack makes it actually harder because you have a wider range of hands making it tougher to put a person on a specific hand.


Sng cons. Non deepstack play, Having to go all in with marginal hands. Not guaranteed a cash even if you double you stack early


But im also nervous about this because i know cash games are the toughest of any format. And ive also read some threads where it takies ages for them to move up in stakes.

My goal is Just to make 2-3k a month ill be happy with that, If anyone has any feedback on my decision that would be great. Im going to start at 5nl on ignition and work my way up Im Assuming ill have to get to 50nl to make 2k a month but im not to sure.