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Old 06-28-2012, 09:04 AM   #196
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I like how one question can bring the war and reveal things
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:22 AM   #197
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Yeah its a wonder why great players stop posting advice on 2p2...
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Old 06-28-2012, 09:29 AM   #198
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10 million
glitlr turns down a year's salary of $9m in "my wife is that damn good in bed!" shocker!!
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:47 AM   #199
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I dont necessarily think you created this thread to attract coaching, but you must be aware that it could easily be portrayed that way, and in situations like these what you portray is more relevant than your intentions, imo, especially as you have "see my coaching listing" on your 2+2 profile.

I used to love learning from 2+2 at the start, you were one of the few left leaving honest
answers in threads before poker sng learning became plain moneygrabbing. It's a much
more pure experience bouncing your ideas and trading information openly. You might
discover concepts that you can teach everybody that open a new playing field
of skill and levelling, where you don't have to worry about players advancing as you
created something with infinite proportions of skill relative to the game advancing
in your time.
With the games turning towards hypers this is less the case though :/

I'll also +1 on money not being everything . The idea is that if you traded your life
for working towards a million dollars and became a shell of nothing in the process,
what on earth of value would a million dollars be to you if you have no life?
Although this isn't a direct answer to n0bigdeal's question, the concept remains the same,
you should be rejecting infinite money if it has no value to you post the moneymaking
process, relative to how you could have enjoyed your time.
Hard for young people to relate to this as they are so wired towards making as
much money as possible while working as little as possible.

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Old 06-28-2012, 11:58 AM   #200
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I dont necessarily think you created this thread to attract coaching, but you must be aware that it could easily be portrayed that way, and in situations like these what you portray is more relevant than your intentions, imo, especially as you have "see my coaching listing" on your 2+2 profile.
The thing is, I don't even think it's wrong per se to use a well thread as a driving tactic to your coaching. It's smart business. I thought about doing a similar thing but felt bad about it eventually and opted not to. The fact that you disclaimed "this is not for advertising" is very very wrong to do however.

(I know I'm coming at you hard, I'm just really rubbed the wrong way by a bunch of things said here)
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:25 PM   #201
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I do absolutely not mind if someone like glitlr, who earned his good reputation and lots of respect throughout the years, makes a well thread to advertise his coaching/staking services.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:35 PM   #202
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I think you should be able to say what you want and advertise yourself as a coach on this site however you want. The moderators think differently. I'm just drawing conclusions
between what I think Glitlr intends (a well), and what is there either way (advertising).

The fact that you can advertise yourself in a roundabout way by producing a well just proves that restricting people from advertising themselves is completely flawed.
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:38 PM   #203
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I believe it has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way because this is his second attempt to post a Well. The first was posted right after BF and I believe it was soon locked because it seemed evident that the purpose was to advertise for coaching instead of a genuine interest of giving back to the community.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:14 PM   #204
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Having worked with Glitlr for a number of years now I think its v unlikely that a thread like this is a disguised advertising thread.

Glitlr is one of the most respected lower stakes sng players. Theres not much more to say than that. If he wants to coach people he's not going to struggle to do so.

If a person were doing a thread like this to get more people signing up to coaching they would respond to questions asking advice as "if you sign up to...". He's not doing that, he's giving free advice to anyone who poses a question from what I've seen.

I think a lot of sceptical people miss the point and assume that because a person offers coaching, everything they do is to further that.

I've seen plenty of threads from amateur / poor players offering coaching and videos etc. If this thread gets a renowned and respected (and competent) coach more work than thats less money that beginners waste on guys that claim they make a living playing sngs because they have a 20% ROI over 500 games. Its not a bad thing.

But as I said already - I very much doubt thats the purpose of this thread and if Gliltr were unable to post a thread like this because of the accustaions would 2+2 be a better forum because of it?

Being given advice by a GREAT sng instructor / coach for FREE and then complaining about it - thats pretty insane IMO.
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I believe it has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way because this is his second attempt to post a Well. The first was posted right after BF and I believe it was soon locked because it seemed evident that the purpose was to advertise for coaching instead of a genuine interest of giving back to the community.
If you were a full time poker player based in the US, what better time to decide to "give back to the community" when u get baned from playing.

There's way too much scepticism in this thread.

Just enjoy learning from a good player.
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If you were a full time poker player based in the US, what better time to decide to "give back to the community" when u get baned from playing.

There's way too much scepticism in this thread.

Just enjoy learning from a good player.
Other than vague generalities, what information is being given out?

There's skepticism (or scepticism depending on what side of the pond you live ), because whenever someone who makes their living from coaching and/or staking makes a thread like this, whatever the intent it's getting your name out there that you coach/stake.

That helps you get business. Which is why a whole host of other people who coach/stake chime in indirectly in all these threads with reference to the fact that "hey!", they also coach/stake. But make sure you use the magic words/indirect phrases so mods don't come down on you!!

Wait a while, rinse and repeat, whether you're starting a thread or commenting in a thread. It's pretty standard and tons of people do it, but anyone acting indignant when people call it what it is is pretty lol IMO.

Unless they're just also playing a version of the game all the coaches/stakers play on these boards and playing a side in things.
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If a person were doing a thread like this to get more people signing up to coaching they would respond to questions asking advice as "if you sign up to...". He's not doing that, he's giving free advice to anyone who poses a question from what I've seen.
1. Do gyms say "if you sign up to..." or do they give you free advice, weekly memberships to get you in the door?
2. What is their goal?

The hard sell is a concept of the past in promotion/advertising
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:34 PM   #208
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Starting a "well" is fine. Nobody can know what Op's intentions are for starting it except him, and it is so irrelevant anyway. It is not a loophole in the 2+2 policy,they could easily make a rule prohibiting coaches from starting ask me threads but they choose to allow it for a reason. They also give undertitles that read "see my coaching listing" for a reason.

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Old 06-29-2012, 03:46 AM   #209
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I think the bottom line is that 2+2 is a better forum for threads like this.
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Old 06-29-2012, 11:23 AM   #210
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Pretty ridiculous how this thread is getting flipped around. If there are any hidden intentions within this thread, it's the mods job to take care of, so why even bother?

I wanted to ask you when was your most confident period during your career and why? Looking back, if you had to do a graph about your learning progress overall, how would that graph look like? Any AHA Big jump moments?
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