Except that with only 1500 chips to start you don't have the room to maneuver that you do in a cash game.

It looks like the ideal late-game strategy is to use a big stack to accumulate chips, but if you're a midstack you want to bully the small stacks who are looking to sneak into the money. In a sense, it's kind of like an MTT strategy crammed into a STT: tight early, open up in the middle, and then play the mid-late/bubble phase depending on your stack. If you're big, you can put pressure on smaller stacks to accumulate chips (with the one exception being you want to keep the bubble alive); if you're mid, you want to avoid the bigstacks and target the smaller ones; if you're the small stack, you might want to turtle in order to squeak out a mincash.

I agree but i would add that at the low buy in levels if you are a mid stack you can bully the other mid stacks if you have them pegged as scared money players who are just trying to fold into the money. You just need to make sure that the big stack is already out of the hand. Just last night i was a midstack with 2 mid stacks in my blinds and was able to triple my stack by raising every time i was on the button and the one big stack had folded. The fact that he big stack had clearly mailed it in made things easier. We were down to 6 with one dude holding on for dear life and it was obvious that the 2 guys in my blinds were just waiting for the shorty to bust

I don't have sngwiz but would like to know the following. Say shoving hand x with 9+ players left yields me a 200 dollar increase to my stack on average is it actually a good idea to shove hand x as i'm risking a bustout for a small gain? i know ever 100 chips increases my payout by 3 cents. So thats a .6 cents increase in actual money. Not much but if i double up it is much easier to play the rest of the tourney.

Agree, and again it's very similar to MTTs where you try to pick on stacks you have FE against but avoid tangling with the bigstack. Should also work at higher buyins, perhaps not because those villains are trying to sneak into the money but because higher buyin players will appreciate that the risk of calling raises with a midstack isn't worth the reward.

Another thing that should be an effective move here that is -ev in DONs is resteal-shoving against other midstacks. The reward-risk ratio for such moves is much more favorable in 50-50's than in DONs.

who out there is killing these?

about to put in sick vol at the 1.08s, will report back

This is probably one tourney where you'd be better off not playing turbos. Increased pressure of the blinds means less time to accumulate chips before the bubble breaks. That's a problem that's unique to these tournies.

i just played 2 of these and noticed 5th place basically got back his buy in and nothing else due to chip stack & with a 50bb starting stack and the turbos being the only one people are playing is it even beatable over the long run??

p.s only good thing i found is that the tables are passive, atleast at the $5.24 limit played...

The correct pay-out is 0.6/0.1/0.1/0.1/0.1, not 0.5/0.1/0.1/0.1/0.1.
This can lead to different result icm nash vs sngwiz.

it is...but nobody suggested the later...

i was using .5, .1, .1, .1, .1 at the hold'em resources link. pretty embarrassing when i think about it.

If you do the calcs you'll see that in order to get at least the same payoff that you'd get from a regular DoN, you have to finish with more than 3000 chips. Not an easy task to do so on a regular basis.

Thanks for the advice. I have just finished my first 500 block at $10.48 multitabling up to 16 tables ending up with a silly ROI of 1%. I will give it a try and reduce MTB to 4 or 5 for my next 500 tournaments block. Yes I do have SNGWiz. I just didn't notice that the new version has an option for the Fifty50. So I am going to use it to adapt my ranges

Thank you! Good luck at the tables...err table

Yeah I really like 5050 but is it profitable? They seem pretty easy to place 5th or better, so it's tough to lose money. I really want these to be profitable because I like them a lot

you'd think after 133 posts someone would have asked if these things are profitable or not. my guess is no money in 5050, everyone's placing 5th or better.

my real answer is, assuming reasonable rake, all forms of poker are beatable.

Of course it is beatable...