I have to say i'm pretty shocked by this, I thought you were a mass multi tabler like everybody else, I'm probably going to start talking to you at the tables if you only play 1 at a time

umm...that will be pretty difficult for you to do since I think it's more important to know when the blinds are moving than to see/participate in the chat. Be happy to talk to you either here or via PM. Just curious, have we played together, whats your SN,etc.?

We have played together 13 times.

My screen name is ilu_xxxxx_7.

I like to chat at the tables it's more fun than actually paying attention and trying to win

hehe...I understand completely(As a matter of fact my wife and I met chatting while playing backgammon online; but the games were not for money). On a serious note, the main reason I love to only singletable and not chat is that my I really play much better and enjoy the game more when I can totally focus on one thing at a time, neanderthal as that may sound in todays age of multitasking.

Kzk, i ran your three hands.

KQo in the big blind - interestingly, running the ICM Nash Calculator Results and running sngwiz with sb's range at 100% produce two different results, albeit not by much (sngwiz says 19.9%). they both say call, but i think with any inclination that sb isn't pushing atc at you, you're letting go of KQ.

the next hand is an atc push if villain is calling only top 33% or tighter. ICM Nash Calculator Results says push 43, get called by 40

AJo -ICM Nash Calculator Results has us calling when utg is pushing 91%. i'm trying to think how wide i'd be pwning with that set up, and it's probably nowhere near 90%. my guess is i'm pwning with closer to 40%, possibly even tighter considering how the short stacks are playing. and i'm probably typical. even then, AJo is still enough to call, although not by much.

for those of you who want to see the equity calculations:
let us assume utg+1 will bust on his big blind. in that case, our stack would be worth $18.45 at end of tournament if we fold here.

if we call here, let's say bb overcalls with top 5%. in that case, 95% of the time, our equity at EOT would be $19.35 (ajo has 60.13% equity vs top 40%), 5% of the time, our equity would be $10.22 (ajo has 25% equity vs top 40% and top 5%), for a total of $18.89. and would be higher in practice due to the fact that we'd be a virtual lock to steal the blinds on the next hand the times we double up. so, basically, eqp is at least $.50 better than folding, and often up to like 3 bucks better. qed. who wants to check my math?

Guys,this is my first post so i am not quite familiar with all posting things.
I play 20$ turbos and have played only about 80 tournaments,so i am still learning.
I have a pretty decent experience with don's (about 4500 tourney's 10 and 20 level),but obviously strategy in fifty50 is a bit different.
What do you all think about this hand?


Hero ($3,845)
BB ($2,535)
UTG ($1,010)
UTG+1 ($975)
CO ($3,630)
BTN ($3,005)

Dealt to Hero T T

Pre Flop:UTG push,CO push,everybody else fold

Now in DoN this is a clear fold,but i am not sure what is correct play here?

Please post your thoughts.

Need to know the blind level, it's probably going to be a fold, but if the blinds were 250/500 for example then i'd call.

Sorry, blinds were 150/300

Very interesting hand. I plugged it into the SNG Wizard program (I'm going to stress an oft-mentioned disclaimer that ICM has its limitations esp. with short stacks/high blinds involved)

Results

With Wiz "average" ranges call with TT+,ak
If everyone were playing Nash Eq. call with 99+,AQs,Ako

could you post the ranges wiz used? I feel like wiz has ppl push way too loose "on average" in these situations...

tnx for the analysys twistedbeats
will mp u

Yes,i feel that the ranges are a little too wide,but i could be wrong.Funny thing is that i actually folded,but BB called as well with AKo.
So my next question is if i have called there,what hand range would be correct to call for BB?

Also, iluvsheesh,i was intrigued with your post about one tabling.I have a few questions for you,but i would like to pm you if you don't mind.

What were the stats of CO? UTG would be pushing alot hands because of his little short stack, only against him I would go easy call but I am not sure if I want to play against three players on bubble and there is another one shortstacker and we have sure already made some profit with that stack. I would participate in that hand only with QQ+,
For me its fold.

CO is a tight regular on 20$ DoN's.I knew he wouldn't be out of line for sure,but still made me wondering what my calling range is there.

For the cases I ran, ranges were as follows:
Wiz avg UTG push 36% Cutoff call 7.1%
Nash EQ UTG push 13.1% Cutoff call 8.0%
Interestingly, your calling range is very senstitive to calling of cutoff and very insensititive to pushing range of small stack(UTG)

Now if you had also called ,I don't think wiz can handle that case but it seems intuitive that BB range should be extremly tight and that ako would be clear fold.

Finally, yes please free free to PM me with questions anytime