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03-30-2011, 08:32 AM
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#376
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,236
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by johnniewalk
The 10% includes the times where sb folds and bb folds, which i guesstimated would be around 8/9%. Plus the times where sb calls, bb calls, and bb scoops is probably 1/2%ish. i just added these two situations together to get the 10%.
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fair enough, i ll invest more time in training my reading skills
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03-30-2011, 08:35 AM
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#377
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,236
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by HyperionMark
Not sure if there is much practicality to thinking about this, but probably more for fun...
Very first hand of a Fifty50, you are on the big blind and every single player pushes all in ahead of you...what is your correct calling/pushing range?
Same question except there are now 6 players all with equal stacks (2500). You are on the big blind and everyone pushes all in ahead of you...what is your correct calling/pushing range?
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two aces of spades...
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03-30-2011, 10:16 AM
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#378
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,286
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
Any thoughts on the hand I posted near the bottom of the previous page?
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03-30-2011, 10:28 AM
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#379
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 906
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by jmbreslin
Not sure if this one is trivial or not. Villain had been pretty active on the bubble in terms of open-raising, obviously looking to chip up before the shortie dies. This was the first time I had seen him shove-3B though. Probably still trying to chip up, but is it worth the risk with a shortie on life support and my stack sitting at 2.5 BI?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.3 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) (t4580)
Button (t1110)
SB (t365)
BB (t1830)
UTG (t4265)
MP (t2850)
Hero's M: 50.89
Preflop: Hero is CO with J  , J 
UTG calls t60, 1 fold, Hero bets t180, 2 folds, BB raises to t1830 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???
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If he understands the concept of abusing the bubble, he might be seeing you trying to abuse it as well, being the big stack at the table and just one guy limping in front of you.
Cant run any numbers but IŽd snapcall this.
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03-30-2011, 11:28 AM
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#380
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newbie
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 44
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by jmbreslin
Not sure if this one is trivial or not. Villain had been pretty active on the bubble in terms of open-raising, obviously looking to chip up before the shortie dies. This was the first time I had seen him shove-3B though. Probably still trying to chip up, but is it worth the risk with a shortie on life support and my stack sitting at 2.5 BI?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 5.3 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) (t4580)
Button (t1110)
SB (t365)
BB (t1830)
UTG (t4265)
MP (t2850)
Hero's M: 50.89
Preflop: Hero is CO with J  , J 
UTG calls t60, 1 fold, Hero bets t180, 2 folds, BB raises to t1830 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???
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Call. I would treat this hand like a cash game, although you don't often see a guy just 3bet shove 30bb in cash games.
Opponents range:AK,AQ,44-KK,the occasional miss click,a few moron shoves.
I think his range heavily concentrated on AK and 88-QQ the way this play was made. I also threw out AA just because the way he shoved 30bb.
JJ is ahead of his range and the likelihood of survival if you lose this hand is very high.
If this opponent flipped up AKs here prior to making your decision, would you still call? I would.
So if we add in all of the other hands he could have, there is more pairs under JJ than over JJ in his estimated range. Therefore its an easy call.
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03-30-2011, 12:01 PM
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#381
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 384
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by HotzenplOdds
If he understands the concept of abusing the bubble, he might be seeing you trying to abuse it as well, being the big stack at the table and just one guy limping in front of you.
Cant run any numbers but IŽd snapcall this.
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Originally Posted by johnniewalk
Call. I would treat this hand like a cash game, although you don't often see a guy just 3bet shove 30bb in cash games.
Opponents range:AK,AQ,44-KK,the occasional miss click,a few moron shoves.
I think his range heavily concentrated on AK and 88-QQ the way this play was made. I also threw out AA just because the way he shoved 30bb.
JJ is ahead of his range and the likelihood of survival if you lose this hand is very high.
If this opponent flipped up AKs here prior to making your decision, would you still call? I would.
So if we add in all of the other hands he could have, there is more pairs under JJ than over JJ in his estimated range. Therefore its an easy call.
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Don't forget that if we win this hand the tournament will be over, and we'll forfeit any future equity we might have by continuing to pwn the bubble.
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03-30-2011, 12:15 PM
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#382
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,286
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by fievel
Don't forget that if we win this hand the tournament will be over, and we'll forfeit any future equity we might have by continuing to pwn the bubble.
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Not sure that's relevant in this case since a win will put us over 3 BI. I'd happily take that and end the tourney.
However, I'm still unsure about the call. I know I'm ahead of his range but not far ahead. If we include the big pairs (maybe he's hoping I'll think his overshove looks like a middling pair) and AK/AKs, I'm a coinflip fav. Obviously I become a much bigger fav if you exclude AA/KK.
Yeah, I probably should have called. I am ahead of his likely range and winning ends the tourney with a 3 BI return for me, while losing still leaves me a decent 2700-ish stack. Not very often in these you get a chance to secure a 3 BI return with limited risk.
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03-30-2011, 02:15 PM
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#383
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journeyman
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 50% neither here/50% nor there
Posts: 235
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by HotzenplOdds
If he understands the concept of abusing the bubble, he might be seeing you trying to abuse it as well, being the big stack at the table and just one guy limping in front of you.
Cant run any numbers but IŽd snapcall this.
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+1
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03-30-2011, 11:45 PM
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#384
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: las vegas
Posts: 1,785
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
now that they are offering omaha fifty50s can we get a seperate thread where we can discuss them? i cannot find them discussed anywhere, no ones even mentioned this and its new. really upsets me they dont go at the $50 levels, i cant find a single one going over $5 or $10
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03-30-2011, 11:47 PM
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#385
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 5,514
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
The # of people that play omaha in this forum is probably 10 or less and no one plays omahaha sngs cause they don't ever run like you siad
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03-31-2011, 09:50 AM
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#386
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old hand
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,286
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
Omaha is the wrong game for the fifty50 format. Hand values run so close in omaha that you're rarely getting your money in as a big fav. Not enough reward in the fifty50 format to offset the fact that you typically have much less fold equity than in NLHE, and you're basically flipping for stacks constantly.
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03-31-2011, 11:15 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 26
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
How do I copy the suggested shoving/calling range by sng wiz? Im tired of typing everything out manually every time I make minor tweeks to my charts.
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04-01-2011, 12:53 PM
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#388
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,936
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
What do you guys think about me ?(SN Succeed1337) I may do sometimes terrible moves but I`m at least 25 Tabling sometimes if I`m bored I play ~40, so that drops my ROI ofc. Played mostly 10s some 20s/30s/50s
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04-01-2011, 02:08 PM
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#389
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,195
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by NiSash1337
What do you guys think about me ?(SN Succeed1337) I may do sometimes terrible moves but I`m at least 25 Tabling sometimes if I`m bored I play ~40, so that drops my ROI ofc. Played mostly 10s some 20s/30s/50s
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Don't believe i've played with you yet, but nice results so far.
I have a very good/advanced strategy if you want to succeed at the higher stakes, fold vs me if you think your hand is better than mine, and call if you think your hand is worse, GL!
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04-01-2011, 02:39 PM
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#390
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centurion
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: DUS
Posts: 147
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Re: Fifty50 strat Discussion
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Originally Posted by NiSash1337
What do you guys think about me ?(SN Succeed1337) I may do sometimes terrible moves but I`m at least 25 Tabling sometimes if I`m bored I play ~40, so that drops my ROI ofc. Played mostly 10s some 20s/30s/50s
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Pretty decent for MTBing these. Not that I try to avoid you at the tables but I am not happy either if you are there
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