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06-21-2012, 03:58 PM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 182
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DON hands
Hand 1
Merge - $5+$0.40|<> NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: 960.00
UTG+1: 1,460.00
UTG+2: 2,435.00
MP: 2,397.00
MP+1: 1,485.00
CO: 665.00
Hero (BTN): 2,130.00
SB: 2,315.00
BB: 1,153.00
UTG posts ante 10.00, UTG+1 posts ante 10.00, UTG+2 posts ante 10.00, MP posts ante 10.00, MP+1 posts ante 10.00, CO posts ante 10.00, Hero posts ante 10.00, SB posts ante 10.00, BB posts ante 10.00, SB posts SB 75.00, BB posts BB 150.00
Pre Flop: (pot: 315.00) Hero has 9  9
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 655.00 and is all-in, Hero??
15/7 9% steal
Since he is so short, hes going to be shoving wide enough to make this a profitable call right? Or would this be to much of my stack to risk on what is quite possibly a coin flip. Although I would still have 10 bb left in the event that it is only 50 50 and I lose. Im gonna say that the right play here would be to shove to isolate.
Hand 2
Merge - $5+$0.40|<> NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: 1,590.00
UTG+1: 3,359.00
MP: 1,745.00
CO: 1,220.00
BTN: 1,745.00
SB: 4,322.00
Hero (BB): 1,019.00
UTG posts ante 15.00, UTG+1 posts ante 15.00, MP posts ante 15.00, CO posts ante 15.00, BTN posts ante 15.00, SB posts ante 15.00, Hero posts ante 15.00, SB posts SB 150.00, Hero posts BB 300.00
Pre Flop: (pot: 555.00) Hero has A  9
fold, UTG+1 raises to 600.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero???
26/10
to shove against the OOP raise and hope for the best? This is probably the best hand I am going to get for the next round, possibly.
Hand 3
Merge - $5+$0.40|<> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
UTG: 3,315.00
MP: 1,595.00
CO: 2,460.00
BTN: 4,440.00
SB: 925.00
Hero (BB): 2,265.00
UTG posts ante 15.00, MP posts ante 15.00, CO posts ante 15.00, BTN posts ante 15.00, SB posts ante 15.00, Hero posts ante 15.00, SB posts SB 150.00, Hero posts BB 300.00
Pre Flop: (pot: 540.00) Hero has A  T
fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 910.00 and is all-in, Hero???
11/9 29% steal
is the hit to my stack worth the probable 60/40 on the bubble?
Hand 4
Merge - $5+$0.40|<> NL - Holdem - 10 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
SB: 1,395.00
BB: 1,425.00
UTG: 1,520.00
UTG+1: 1,495.00
UTG+2: 1,370.00
MP: 1,390.00
MP+1: 1,645.00
MP+2: 1,750.00
Hero (CO): 1,450.00
BTN: 1,560.00
SB posts ante 5.00, BB posts ante 5.00, UTG posts ante 5.00, UTG+1 posts ante 5.00, UTG+2 posts ante 5.00, MP posts ante 5.00, MP+1 posts ante 5.00, MP+2 posts ante 5.00, Hero posts ante 5.00, BTN posts ante 5.00, SB posts SB 50.00, BB posts BB 100.00
Pre Flop: (pot: 200.00) Hero has J  J
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 250.00, fold, fold, BB raises to 1,420.00 and is all-in
18/7 (56 hands)
I have no idea what to do here. I still have plenty of play left in my stack if I fold here, but J's are a pretty good hand. I think avoiding the flip at this stage is worth the fold, right?
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06-21-2012, 08:40 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,448
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Re: DON hands
In hand 1 either shove or fold unless the blinds are tight passive. Then you can call or fold. It's somewhat unlikely that BB is going to call if you call given his stack size, so I don't think isolating is completely necessary and it might be more risky than calling. I don't think either is a mistake. Obviously I don't hate folding either, but I think we have an edge here and enough chips to gamble. This guy should be any ace/any pair at his tightest.
In hand 2 this might very well be the best hand you see in the next orbit, but that doesn't change the fact that we are going to be about 30% against his range here, so we have to fold unless this guy is really out of line.
Hand 3 is an easy call, we need 50% equity to break even and the guy should be any two.
Hand 4 is generally a fold, but calling is ok in some situations. If you don't think your opponent is ever bluffing then fold, but if you have been stealing his blind a lot you can call because he could be adjusting to your wide opens.
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06-22-2012, 07:13 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: "DAMN, That's One Cold A$$ Honkey"
Posts: 217
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Re: DON hands
yo i've been playing theses ($3-$10) 6 man DON's and really loving only needing to beat 3 people instead of 5 in the 10 mans, games are much looser and it you are up good in chips you can really control the action. really once you hit 3k(doubled up) your in cruise control just applying pressure without getting out of control. The only bad thing is the hand ranges are pretty wide and get into so funny coin flips. here is a hand i played that i feel was played right but its so margin-lye standard imo (p.s. LOCK is bad for sng's)
6 man DON (4 Players
bb hero 3345
sb 4015
cut 1035
btn 1175
hero had Kd8d blinds 50/100
cut folds,btn shoves, sb folds,
background btn 2 hands before doubled up on a shove with Qs10s and won a flip, so i have to call $1075 into a $1425, my calling range here is K10s normally, but his is range is 22-AA Ax, Kx, suited connectors and 1 gaped suited connectors, also as crazy as it sound i always feel in a 50/50 flip guy with more chips will win (that sh*ts Kray ) so im at the bottom of my call range, but i feel i need to call, SO I DO
Kd8d vs A7o
his push is fine but id perfer to wait for a suited Ace
board 8,3,3,2,9
what is the bottom of your call range here???
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06-23-2012, 12:08 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 182
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Re: DON hands
you generally dont want to call all ins in DONs, especially when you are on the bubble. Just think about the numbers you need to make it profitable. 4 people left, 3 get paid, or 75% meaning that 75% of the time you make it to the bubble, you are going to make the money, even with 4 people playing perfectly. With this kind of money money equity you can not afford to spew chips on a 60/40 shot, even if you are ahead. 40% of the time you are going to lose, with is 15% more often than you can even expect to cash on the bubble, so you are losing a lot of money by doing this. The only way you would be able to match this 75% equity would be to call all in with QQ+, which of course is not always possible. The structure of DoNs is a flat pay out so having all of the chips when the bubble bursts and having 1 chips both pays out the same. This means that you do not want to take any unnecessary risks, at all. In short, I almost NEVER call all ins in these games unless I A) absolutely have to, B) somebody has been relentlessly abusing my blinds and I have a decent hand or C) I have a monster. Of course the less chips I have the definition of a "monster" becomes much wider. Instead of calling all ins, you want to force people to make decisions for all of their chips, so you need to steal the blinds very often (especially when the blinds are big). This is how you make 90% of your chips in these. You will be surprised how often people fold their blinds. My steal success is at like 80%. Of course you will get picked off sometimes when you go all in but the chips you make when you succeed far out value the chips you lose. (all in steals are not necessary until you are shortish~10bb. 2.5-3x generally does the trick)
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06-23-2012, 12:44 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: "DAMN, That's One Cold A$$ Honkey"
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Re: DON hands
yeah i hear that but plan B is if i lose im left with 20 BB and still 1 shorty 10 BB for 3 people to attack. but any ways whats the worst hand your calling hear with A9s???
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06-23-2012, 10:51 AM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 182
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Re: DON hands
Im not really sure. It all depends on how often he had been stealing. I would want to make sure that I am no worse than a 60/40 favorite. He is a shorty so he probably is stealing pretty wide. My initial thought is maybe AJ+, 10's+. That is a very tight range and can obviously be opened up if he has been stealing a lot. The blinds are still fairly small so letting him take these blinds is not all that bad since he is still going to be a shorty. Doubling him up here, IMO, is a very bad thing to do unless you have a massive stack and are able to withstand a hit and still be the clear favorite.
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06-23-2012, 02:26 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,448
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Re: DON hands
Calling 10bb in that spot is a pretty bad idea usually. You're risking 4% prize pool equity to win 3% which means you need to win the hand 4/7 times or 57% to make it the correct play to call. He would have to be pushing 90% or more of his hands in that spot. Seems pretty unlikely imo. I'm guessing he might be as wide as 35% here and I'd discount AA/KK significantly due to him being much more likely to make a smaller raise 11bb deep. That means we need about 88+, AT+, A9s+.
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06-23-2012, 03:30 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: "DAMN, That's One Cold A$$ Honkey"
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Re: DON hands
thanks you that really makes sence, expressly the blinds being small and he'll still a shorty
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06-23-2012, 04:30 PM
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centurion
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 182
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Re: DON hands
Quote:
Originally Posted by emitnulB
Calling 10bb in that spot is a pretty bad idea usually. You're risking 4% prize pool equity to win 3% which means you need to win the hand 4/7 times or 57% to make it the correct play to call. He would have to be pushing 90% or more of his hands in that spot. Seems pretty unlikely imo. I'm guessing he might be as wide as 35% here and I'd discount AA/KK significantly due to him being much more likely to make a smaller raise 11bb deep. That means we need about 88+, AT+, A9s+.
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How did you figure he was risking 4% prize pool equity to win 3%?
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06-23-2012, 04:39 PM
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old hand
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Re: DON hands
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