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Can I fold AJs to 3-bet with 2 short-stacks on the bubble?

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06-09-2016 , 06:05 AM

Ispitan

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I feel like my line of play cannot possibly be correct. Do I have to call down the all-in? If not, what line should I have taken?

Poker Stars, $0.44 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37353029

SB: 6,058 (30.3 bb)
BB: 1,585 (7.9 bb)
CO: 1,624 (8.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 4,233 (21.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

CO folds, Hero raises to 600, SB raises to 6,033 and is all-in, 2 folds

Results: 1,500 pot
SB mucked and won 1,500 (875 net)

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06-09-2016 , 06:59 AM

timoroga

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Any Infos on your opponent?

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06-09-2016 , 07:18 AM

Ispitan

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No stats on the opponent, but I raised several hands in the 2-3 rounds before and always got folds. Raising the AJs I had a bad feeling I was going to get reraised.

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06-09-2016 , 08:53 AM

Moscow86

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IMO raise smaller with intent to call BB shove. As played fold now. Given your reads, no need to risk your position vs Villian who is likely shoving tighter than optimal.

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06-09-2016 , 09:16 AM

SharkytheFish

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This is a fold Youv no info on villain but thinking sit n go players dont shove 30bbs over a raise from a player that can cripple them with A10 or worse. Your likely to be flipping at best.

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06-09-2016 , 10:32 AM

Ispitan

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If I have to fold a hand as strong as AJs to his 3-bet, doesn't this mean that he can abuse me by 3-betting all my raises? What range am I opening then?

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06-09-2016 , 10:39 AM

timoroga

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This is a 50ct STT, under <5 % of players in this pool realize how to abuse opening ranges

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06-09-2016 , 10:50 AM

Ispitan

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I understand, so raise folding here is correct at this buy-in level. How should the hand be played at higher buy-in levels?

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06-09-2016 , 11:22 AM

freakinbird

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Originally Posted by Ispitan

I understand, so raise folding here is correct at this buy-in level. How should the hand be played at higher buy-in levels?

People might disagree but I'm fine with overshoving here with AJs with competent reg in BB (and can still get called by hands we dominate which we're happy w/)

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06-09-2016 , 11:32 AM

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Ispitan

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Originally Posted by freakinbird

People might disagree but I'm fine with overshoving here with AJs with competent reg in BB (and can still get called by hands we dominate which we're happy w/)

Don't I have to protect my opening range by not shoving AJ/AQ/AK?

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06-09-2016 , 11:38 AM

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freakinbird

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Originally Posted by Ispitan

Don't I have to protect my opening range by not shoving AJ/AQ/AK?

I think we can balance our opening range with adding open/calls on our stronger hands. AJs is kind of close though, I think open/calling here is fine as well. I'd shove with AJo though.

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06-09-2016 , 11:40 AM

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Moscow86

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Originally Posted by Ispitan

If I have to fold a hand as strong as AJs to his 3-bet, doesn't this mean that he can abuse me by 3-betting all my raises? What range am I opening then?

Villain can but by your description this players looks to be more passive than he should be with the big stack and given chip dist'n. If it's been working well last few orbits without him 3b lightly, continue with this. IMO no need to risk the entire stack if he wakes up with a hand, given you've been slowly chipping up.

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06-09-2016 , 12:02 PM

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Ispitan

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Alright, thanks guys

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06-10-2016 , 05:53 AM

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Colinb7

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Def raise smaller. Good players will pound on your opens, and sadly you have to fold almost all of them. This would be such a disaster for you to take a flip here. Just standard bubble dynamics. In these kind of dynamics I definitely tighten my opening range significantly.

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06-10-2016 , 12:10 PM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Colinb7

Agree. Flipping against the bigstack with 2 players sitting at <10bb would be a tragedy.

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06-12-2016 , 09:47 AM

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Mike7

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Usually raise smaller pre like 2x. Nothing much you can do if SB shoves but fold. If he’s somewhat decent, he’ll realize that you can’t call with much if he shoves, given the two shorties at the table. So he might shove a little wider. Then again, would he really risk 21 BB in this situation as chip leader? Probably not. So in most cases he will still have a decent to good hand here. I guess if we 3x here we can maybe put a little more pressure on SB showing that we may not fold if he jams, but we can only assume he’s owning us with garbage if he makes this move repeatedly.

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06-13-2016 , 09:03 AM

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Ronny Mahoni

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At this stage of the game (and even before, I start at 25/50) you should raise 2x-2.5x, 3x is usually a waste as more often then not it doesnt really change ranges much. However, at your stake this might not be true, but you should give it a go and find out.

My 9man game is not the greatest, but bet/calling must be horrible, Id be surprised if you can profit even against atc, at least without FGS that seems highly unlikely.

So either bet/fold vs people who dont shove over wide. And vs people who do, either openshove or fold. Most of the time, bet/fold will be the correct approach, because most people esp. at low stakes dont reshove nearly wide enough.

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06-13-2016 , 04:39 PM

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Ispitan

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Yeah the reason I started raising 3x at $0.50 is because people where defending a ton against 2-2.5x raises, and I don't want to see a flop as it dramatically increases the variance. Hence I'm trying to raise enough to force them to jam or fold.

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06-16-2016 , 06:46 AM

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Colinb7

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Originally Posted by Ispitan

You'll be surprised how profitable raise smaller pre and Cbet is. You get to win a bigger pot around 70% with bb flatting a wider range.

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06-16-2016 , 07:58 AM

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Ispitan

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So If I raise smaller pre, I should cbet almost any board? Don't people pick up on that very quickly?

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06-16-2016 , 08:57 AM

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Darth_Maul

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Originally Posted by Colinb7

You'll be surprised how profitable raise smaller pre and Cbet is. You get to win a bigger pot around 70% with bb flatting a wider range.

I've started taking this approach, raising 2x pre and then making a 3/4 pot cb. It entices calls pre but then people give up more easily when they face a larger cb into a smaller pot. It also keeps the pot a more manageable size to make second bullets less expensive when your cb gets called. 3x pre creates a bigger pot from the start, which makes future bets more pricey and creates a pot that villains don't want to give up on as easily.

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