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06-11-2016 , 03:40 PM

Ispitan

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Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 87

Given that the flush draw completed on the turn, do I have to check this back on the river, or do I have to bet for value?

Poker Stars, $0.44 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37354082

BB: 1,370 (45.7 bb)
UTG+2: 1,470 (49 bb)
MP1: 1,470 (49 bb)
MP2: 1,700 (56.7 bb)
MP3: 1,620 (54 bb)
CO: 1,230 (41 bb)
Hero (BTN): 3,210 (107 bb)
SB: 1,430 (47.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

5 folds, Hero raises to 90, SB folds, BB calls 60

Flop: (195) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 97, BB calls 97

Turn: (389) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 194, BB calls 194

River: (777) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 415, BB raises to 989 and is all-in, Hero calls 574

Results: 2,755 pot
Final Board: 6

BB showed J

and won 2,755 (1,385 net)
Hero showed Q

and lost (-1,370 net)

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06-11-2016 , 05:17 PM

Mosai

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It's difficult to think of any hands villain makes it to the river that calls a value bet and you have beat. If villain had JJ, TT or 99 you probably would have heard of it pre flop, very few kings make it to the river and you are never getting called by any missed combo draws so I think checking back is actually ok in this spot

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06-12-2016 , 09:10 AM

Mike7

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Depends entirely on opponent tendencies. As Mosai says, there aren't a lot of hands in his range that will call a value bet on the river. JJ, TT, 99 maybe but he will often 3-bet those pre-flop so may not be in his range. Worse Qx, but mathematically unlikely. If he's passive and fishy you can get calls from A-6, A-3, some weirdly played K-x. Overall though, seems like a value betting spot only vs. very passive opponents who can still call with worse. Against other opponents checking back is okay.

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06-12-2016 , 10:57 AM

Darth_Maul

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I always check the river there with the intention of calling a reasonably sized bet.

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06-12-2016 , 01:32 PM

Moldran

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Originally Posted by Darth_Maul

I always check the river there with the intention of calling a reasonably sized bet.

Agreed, if you consider his entire range here there could be missed straight draws like 45 that he could try to turn into a bluff.

If you bet he just folds all the nothing hands, and if he c/r you valuetowned yourself vs better hands.

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06-13-2016 , 08:12 AM

Colinb7

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 731

Its pretty transparent, but you can bet fold a tiny 1/5 pot river bet. The droolers lap it up!

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06-13-2016 , 08:52 AM

Ronny Mahoni

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Im with Colin, against an unknown, presumably bad player Id bet/fold small too.

But if you are unsure there is enough value to be had, you can check back.

Bet/calling looks like the worst option.

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06-13-2016 , 04:39 PM

Ispitan

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Thanks guys, not gonna bet/call this again

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06-14-2016 , 09:32 AM

SharkytheFish

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Tricky spot I still think your hand is too strong to check back. Villain could have been stationing with 2nd or 3rd pair. Obviously you can discard that part of his range when he raises on the river. If cant check back or bet call that leaves bet fold which I think is the best line.

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06-22-2016 , 09:49 PM

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acbarone

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Sizing on the river is terrible unless you think he has Qx, most often you're going to push out the hands you beat and get called/shoved on by the hands that beat you

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07-13-2016 , 01:03 PM

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Colin252

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 518

I don't see his Qx worse than yours, or any for that matter going x/c, x/c, x.
He has little or no Kx, aside from Ksxs.
What do you hope to get called with using this size?
What hands make an obvious bluff for him here?
Do you think he raises worse for value?
If so what?

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