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07-27-2015 , 10:32 AM

Thanatos_06

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Poker Stars, $1.32 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37030032

BTN: 2,431 (8.1 bb)
SB: 2,639 (8.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,274 (10.9 bb)
CO: 5,156 (17.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

2 folds, SB raises to 600, Hero raises to 3,249 and is all-in, SB calls 2,014 and is all-in

Flop: (5,328) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (5,328) J

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (5,328) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: 5,328 pot
Final Board: 7

SB showed K

and won 5,328 (2,689 net)
Hero showed 3

and lost (-2,639 net)

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Guys please comment.
Was it mistake or not??? SB did this 2xBB raise in similar situation three Times in a row previously.

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07-27-2015 , 01:06 PM

Just call me Steve

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If you post the results, other players can't give unbiased opinions. Just post this next time:

[QUOTE=Thanatos_06;47667843][converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.32 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37030032

BTN: 2,431 (8.1 bb)
SB: 2,639 (8.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,274 (10.9 bb)
CO: 5,156 (17.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

2 folds, SB raises to 600, Hero raises to 3,249 and is all-in,

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07-27-2015 , 02:39 PM

Thanatos_06

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Thanks for remark.
It was my first post on 2+2. I also screw up a title it should be reraise shove instead of call.

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07-28-2015 , 06:01 PM

winigwl

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In my experience, these short stacked tiny raises seem to indicate strength, like they're begging for action. I personally don't love playing weak aces short stacked, so I'm folding. But I don't hate it. It's probably +EV

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07-28-2015 , 07:43 PM

danielj

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If villain had done it three times in a row then this is a good shove imo, but it would have been ugly with a bit shorter stacks, because you need fold equity to shove.

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07-31-2015 , 02:30 AM

steaksaucy

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winigwl and danielj are on point.

if you feel that you can find a better spot in this particular stt. fold in this particular spot imo.

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07-31-2015 , 05:15 AM

Colinb7

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Vs unknowns I think I fold. Once you have a better read you can adjust accordingly. Your just so much better off by making plays at uncontested pots.

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08-01-2015 , 05:30 AM

Thanatos_06

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Thank you for replyies guys.

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08-02-2015 , 04:18 AM

Sinthoras1

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I tend to view these small raises like pushes as they sometimes indicate strength, sometimes FE and sometimes villain just minraise their entire range for whatever reason. So I ran the hand in my HRC and with FGS4 (an entire round) it says that the sb should push 76,5% and the BB defend 19.6% with A3s being the weakest suited Ace he defends. On higher buy ins I would shove as opponents shouldn't learn that you defend tighter than nash. On the micros you can just fold there as you will find plenty of good spots in future rounds.

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08-02-2015 , 04:52 AM

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Thanatos_06

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Originally Posted by Sinthoras1

On higher buy ins I would shove as opponents shouldn't learn that you defend tighter than nash.

What higher buy ins lvl do you mean??? Where is this border where people start playing according some rules??? On micros I felt a big mess. Doesnt matter what type of strategy you use always finding opponents who didn't care at all about the rules and strategy.

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08-03-2015 , 01:27 AM

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TheEros

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Originally Posted by danielj

If villain had done it three times in a row then this is a good shove imo, but it would have been ugly with a bit shorter stacks, because you need fold equity to shove.

But with a shorter stack, and less fold equity, doesn't that mean he might call with a lot of hands we beat? K9-Q, Q8s+, 98s etc? Even though we rarely have him dominated, it should still be +EV to shove even with a shorter stack?
If we have a bigger stack, and more fold equity, he is only calling with better (Ax and pairs) Especially on the bubble.
I am new to STTs so please let me know if i am way off

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08-03-2015 , 06:51 AM

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Thanatos_06

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With shorter stacks in similar spots the only right play from SB perspective is push IMO.
He already has les than 10 BB in his stack so with even shorter stack (7BB or less) there is no place for plaing post flop poker.
Only one reason to make min raise in this spot would be setting a trap with monsters like KK, AA to induce BB shove and then call pre flop.

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08-03-2015 , 11:41 PM

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Sinthoras1

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Originally Posted by Thanatos_06

What higher buy ins lvl do you mean??? Where is this border where people start playing according some rules???

There isn't a boarder where this happens, every game is different. You have to make your own judgement in every situation.

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08-06-2015 , 03:30 PM

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Drrr.Gonzo

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Originally Posted by winigwl

another tell i see similar to this is when a player that has been fairly aggro vs the blinds suddenly starts open limping

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08-06-2015 , 06:45 PM

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Ace Acumen

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[QUOTE=Just call me Steve;47668873]If you post the results, other players can't give unbiased opinions. Just post this next time:

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Originally Posted by Thanatos_06

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $1.32 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37030032

BTN: 2,431 (8.1 bb)
SB: 2,639 (8.8 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,274 (10.9 bb)
CO: 5,156 (17.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3

2 folds, SB raises to 600, Hero raises to 3,249 and is all-in,

this

I think this is a fold

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08-07-2015 , 12:49 PM

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Just call me Steve

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Originally Posted by Thanatos_06

Thanks for remark.
It was my first post on 2+2. I also screw up a title it should be reraise shove instead of call.

No worries. In the $1.50s there are lots of players who don't know push/fold (usually the players who were loose-passive or loose-aggressive in the early stages). So instead they 3x for value and call nearly 100%. I'd expect to see lots of pairs, bigger aces, suited broadway cards. We can't push for value against that range (we're sometimes ahead but usually not), nor can we bluff, so without a read I'd fold.

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08-08-2015 , 09:01 AM

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SteTruce

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Hi guys,

imho this is a push. Villain has done same thing three times previously and we are chipleader. We need to punish this.
It is unlucky that he comes with top range in such spot.

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08-08-2015 , 09:11 AM

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FacialTick

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I don't think you should ever shove against a short stack raise with a hand as bad as A3s. This is a shove if people limp/it folds to you, but a raise by someone with only 8BB (who should be shoving quite a lot of hands in this situation) means they're probably looking for a call. They call a shove here quite often. Remember that with shovefests you're basically shoving for the fold equity.

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