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Old 02-06-2012, 02:32 PM   #1
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bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

Im the shorty...no reads, just 2 randoms. Think this is close but I pushed.

So question (1) is...is that the play? and also question (2) If I do psh on the btn, what is your calling range in the SB? or the BB (w an SB fold)?

Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200.00/t400.00 Blinds - 3 players - Hand History Converter

SB: t2100.00 5.25 BBs
BB: t2750.00 6.88 BBs
Hero (BTN): t1150.00 2.88 BBs

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is BTN with 6 A
Hero raises to t1150, SB calls t950, 1 fold

Flop: (t2700) 8 T J (2 players)

Turn: (t2700) 9 (2 players)

River: (t2700) J (2 players)
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:38 PM   #2
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

Why do you think it's close? If I look down at A2 here I do a lil happy dance before I shove.

Figure out those ranges yourself Ask yourself what you think correct ranges are then plug it in wiz and see how the answer compares. Make sure to play with the edge
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Old 02-06-2012, 03:53 PM   #3
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

*g*

just began to play SnG

but as we are the next BB and have to call a raise from SB or BTN (on the next hand) anyways and we have less than 3 blinds left, I would ship here pretty much 100% of my hands... right?

also SB will not call with anything since we can cause serious damage to his stack

thoughts on this?
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:46 PM   #4
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

^depends a lot on who's in the blinds, how wide theyll call you, and how often theyll clash if you fold, how likely you are to get a walk next hand. Hardly every on atc. Prob like 45-55ish
BB should be calling close to atc with these potodds.

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Old 02-07-2012, 06:59 AM   #5
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

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Why do you think it's close? If I look down at A2 here I do a lil happy dance before I shove.

Figure out those ranges yourself Ask yourself what you think correct ranges are then plug it in wiz and see how the answer compares. Make sure to play with the edge
See if I was one round further along (stack=750) then I would love A-x - obviously Im not correctly valueing the shortness of my stack.

As mentioned earlier, if I push then the SB has to be very tight - AQ+ maybe? then the BB pushes 750 to win 1550, so ATC would be his play.

So, if I put SB call = 5%, and BB call=100% in WIZ, I get HERO psh fr btn at only 12.5%, which is AT/A6s (sorta why I thought it was close).....am I doing something wrong with my calcs?
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:12 AM   #6
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

You can't be sure those ranges are correct and they are an extreme version of the continuum of their possible ranges. Also, taking a blind next hand has a major major major impact on your equity so even if this was close taking a blind is way worse, which Wizz doesn't incorporate.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:23 PM   #7
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

A. BB is not calling you with ATC and SB is definitely calling more than 5%. AQ is a happydance instacall for him!
B. Wiz range will open up hugely with BB not on any two

Don't be afraid to deviate from ICM and be taking some big -ev spots. ICM gives you worthless answer sometimes don't forget it's not perfect!
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:09 PM   #9
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

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Also, taking a blind next hand has a major major major impact on your equity so even if this was close taking a blind is way worse, which Wizz doesn't incorporate.
you're saying that you open your pshing range on the btn when the blinds are eating into you to this extent? as in open your range even beyond ICM because Wiz doesnt incorporate that coming erosion of equity? So if somehow every thing (stacks etc) was exactly the same, but the blinds were one level lower, WIZ would give me the same calc, but my push range would be tighter, and if we were one blind level further, all stacks being the same, etc, my range would open up even more, even tho WIZ would still churn out the same #s?

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A. BB is not calling you with ATC and SB is definitely calling more than 5%. AQ is a happydance instacall for him!
sorry, dont understand if its just me and BB why doesnt he call any two? and if not any two, then 75-85%?
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:51 AM   #10
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

depends on who's in the bb and what his read on you is. He wont call with atc because those bottom hands just wont have the equity vs your range and theres still some icm tax here. But yeah prob like 80-85 would be right vs what you should be shoving, which i think is like 50 or so. But i assume at these buyins ppl wont be calling wide enough from the bb vs your shove so you can maybe go wider.

bbfg is saying icm is overvaluing your stack because it doesnt take into account youre paying 1/3 of your stack next hand as the blind. If you use wiz, youd need to set a decent size negative edge for this hand, unless you have a solid read that sb and bb are likely to clash if you fold, or youre likely to get a walk next hand,etc.

lol at two happy dance references from tomo
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:47 AM   #11
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Re: bubble play 70/30 ss 6m Super

And to take what Ruse just said even further, this is exactly why Tomo is saying AQo is a snap happy dance call.
If SB knows that your shoving range should be very wide because the blinds are large and such a high % of your stack is automatically being put in the next hand, then your range should be wide, So.... if SB were calling 7 or even 10% he should still be CRUSHING your range.

Here's a quick adjusted 10% from stove.

77+,A9s+,KQs,ATo+,KQo
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