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07-30-2017 , 11:16 PM

Dizzzyyy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6LCnOXjGQU i felt like it was way to weak to just call on river.

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07-31-2017 , 02:09 AM

LeaksSuck

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Vid is private

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07-31-2017 , 01:06 PM

Dizzzyyy

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sorry should be good now

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08-02-2017 , 03:08 AM

LeaksSuck

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Yeah think it's bad, c/c river to let him bluff his missed draws feels good (maybe betting is better, depends), but I don't see hands u're getting value from with a c/jam that take this line (assume JT bets the flop and there aren't so many combos of this anyway and it's more likely called than jammed probably). But there are some that might take this line and beat you (flopped straights e.g.) plus the unlikely 33 and sets that decided to check flop.
Generally assume river raises from rnd opponents are very skewed towards value.

U'll get better answers if u give some info on villain, maybe also your table image and cut out the results in the replay. GL

Last edited by LeaksSuck; 08-02-2017 at 03:16 AM.

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08-03-2017 , 10:46 PM

sippin_criss

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It's ok. Should have just bet river yourself though. There is way too many value hands that villain has that would call a bet but not bet themselves. Also way too many of villains potential bluff hands (A9, AQ, AK) check back way too often to attempt to induce a bluff.

Don't be afraid to size up bigger on that turn probe either, 70%~ is a good size.

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08-04-2017 , 08:50 AM

LeaksSuck

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Hey sippin, can u construct ranges that lead to that result? Always value your opinion, this thread might actually get good

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08-04-2017 , 11:34 AM

sippin_criss

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Originally Posted by LeaksSuck

Hey sippin, can u construct ranges that lead to that result? Always value your opinion, this thread might actually get good

Lead to the result of the river shove being good you mean? I just don't think villain checks back a set on this texture, and I think the only reasonable better 8x is A8s that probably raises turn. I'd just expect to be up against a ten most of the time considering villains line has just reduced every possible value combos that beats us. To be clear though I think a ten will check back too often on the river but rarely fold to any reasonable sizing.

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