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Old 06-27-2012, 03:37 PM   #1
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ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

PokerStars - $6.48+$0.52|100/200 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 6,450.00
SB: 1,280.00
Hero (BB): 1,270.00

SB posts SB 100.00, Hero posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has A T

BTN raises to 6,450.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero ??

BTN is 16/13 over 300 hands and SB is 58/10 over 149 hands. I know I should be extremely tight here but the problem is that I don't know if I can afford folding here. Btn I think was multitabling and seems to know how to play because of his stats, so he probably is pushing very wide here and ATo is ahead of his range. SB was a horrible player. So if I fold now and then push on the SB, the bigstack would be on the BB and he is very likely to call because it would only cost him 4bb more and he will have great odds. And I push on the BTN, the horrible player on the BB will call with almost any 2 I think and I will have to flip anyway, if I don't push I will only have 3 or 4 bb left. What should I do?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:59 PM   #2
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Re: ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

I can see why the option to fold seems tempting. Your view on the SB means that he's probably going to be shoving much lighter than most. He's probably being called by the big stack much wider than usual too.

However, it's +EV to call if he's shoving wider than ~20% of hands here (which he probably is). I'd definitely call. After all, we're aiming to win right?
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:15 PM   #3
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Re: ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

What makes you want to fold here?

Snappin so hard
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:43 AM   #4
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Re: ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

PokerStars - $6.48+$0.52|100/200 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: 6,450.00
SB: 1,280.00
Hero (BB): 1,270.00

SB posts SB 100.00, Hero posts BB 200.00

Pre Flop: (300.00) Hero has A T

BTN raises to 6,450.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 1,070.00 and is all-in

Flop: (2640.00, 2 players) 5 9 8

Turn: (2640.00, 2 players) 3

River: (2640.00, 2 players) 8

Hero shows A T (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 7%)
BTN shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Eights) (Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 93%)
BTN wins 2,640.00

I know I was unlucky he had KK, but I think that the call was ok. Which will be the botton to call here?
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:47 AM   #5
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Re: ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

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However, it's +EV to call if he's shoving wider than ~20% of hands here (which he probably is). I'd definitely call. After all, we're aiming to win right?
This isnt true. If villain is shoving 50% here i get this as a fold.

I certainly dont think its a snapcall, factor in that we still have some FE next hand if we choose to shove and more importantly other shorty is a fish and very likely to run out of patience before we should do, its close. BTN's VPIP/PFR stats are only relevant in that they tell you he's likely competent, I agree he's likely pushing wide so I'd call, would want to know the players range in these spots better before I called any wider.
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Old 07-02-2012, 12:32 PM   #6
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Re: ATo on bubble facing shove. 6max $7

I definitely call as well. Definitely near the bottom of my range tho. If I think BB is abusing the bubble and thus very wide, A9s+ ATo+ and 77+ is my calling range.
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