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05-31-2015 , 01:00 AM
The icms! Good well. I used to play for the win everytime
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05-31-2015 , 06:33 PM
Cant find the quote to post but huge +1 to Sherfy being the toughest (non OP) 9m reg to play against. Even worse when you live in his building and see him in the gym after he's owned you

Outside of sucking postflop and openshoving too much, what would you consider my biggest leak? In game obv, neither of us have to time to cover my life leaks.


Really cool you'd do this. Im obv a fan of OP and with how rarely top regs participate in STTF, this is a pretty sweet thread.

gl rest of the year Aaron.




Also cant find the quote about lolpros, but whatd you say to staples in chat when we were 3 handed that one game?

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05-31-2015 , 07:29 PM
Just for you Ruse

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05-31-2015 , 07:57 PM
I guess it's the thought that counts but **** ribs. Too much effort; i dont want to have to eat around stuff.
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05-31-2015 , 09:33 PM
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Outside of sucking postflop and openshoving too much, what would you consider my biggest leak? In game obv, neither of us have to time to cover my life leaks.
It's not a leak, per se, but that 2.4465737x raise you do with 3-5 BBs really annoys me. It makes me have to do math fairly quickly to calculate the range I can call/shove and I'm fine with doing that, the annoyance is that you giving me zero credit for being able to do so.

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Also cant find the quote about lolpros, but whatd you say to staples in chat when we were 3 handed that one game?
Didn't know who he was at first, had to do a Google search. Turns out he's an extremely popular Twitch streamer so I thought he'd be more than willing to interact with me at the tables. Unfortunately he said nothing (but did add me on Twitter later). I chat a lot more than other regs at the table and it bothers me that more guys don't interact with the recreational players. Not saying he's a rec-fish, but making the game more enjoyable for the non regs is extremely beneficial for traffic/liquidity and our bottom line.

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I guess it's the thought that counts but **** ribs. Too much effort; i dont want to have to eat around stuff.
Mostly agree that ribs are too much effort, but Phil's BBQ in San Diego is the exception. Their ribs are incredible. Have a wedding to go to in California in July and was deciding whether to show my girlfriend around San Francisco or San Diego, I choose SD almost solely because of Phil's. Best BBQ I've ever had, not close.
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05-31-2015 , 10:05 PM
Sweet Ill go ahead and change that thing which will make your life easier and cost me money. Thanks for the lesson ship me your pp deats...

Nice month btw.
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Didn't know who he was at first, had to do a Google search. Turns out he's an extremely popular Twitch streamer so I thought he'd be more than willing to interact with me at the tables. Unfortunately he said nothing (but did add me on Twitter later). I chat a lot more than other regs at the table and it bothers me that more guys don't interact with the recreational players. Not saying he's a rec-fish, but making the game more enjoyable for the non regs is extremely beneficial for traffic/liquidity and our bottom line.
Yeah pretty much same page with your thoughts on his status. Pro deals have been about more than ability the whole time so how good you are at having a popular stream is just as relevant as how hot you are or what country you hail from etc, in that regard. People wanna bitch about how pros streaming their play is ruining games but I think overall he/they are bringing new people to the tables and if serious players want to step up their game, there are better ways to do it than watching a stream.

Had some tables up and i lolstack but saw your chat bubble and assumed you were hamming for the stream and said something funny ha.

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05-31-2015 , 10:18 PM
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It makes me have to do math fairly quickly to calculate the range I can call/shove and I'm fine with doing that, the annoyance is that you giving me zero credit for being able to do so.
There are other players at the table aside from you champ...

Ruining the magic a bit but usually its only done on the bubble and when i am shorty and can be overcalled.

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Mostly agree that ribs are too much effort, but Phil's BBQ in San Diego is the exception. Their ribs are incredible. Have a wedding to go to in California in July and was deciding whether to show my girlfriend around San Francisco or San Diego, I choose SD almost solely because of Phil's. Best BBQ I've ever had, not close.
Gonna have to play my NC birthright and say mostly anything in socal shouldnt be called BBQ. But thats a pretty absurdly legit way to plan a vacay. Respect
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05-31-2015 , 11:02 PM
Confirmed, I am absurd
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05-31-2015 , 11:07 PM
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Yeah pretty much same page with your thoughts on his status. Pro deals have been about more than ability the whole time so how good you are at having a popular stream is just as relevant as how hot you are or what country you hail from etc, in that regard. People wanna bitch about how pros streaming their play is ruining games but I think overall he/they are bringing new people to the tables and if serious players want to step up their game, there are better ways to do it than watching a stream.
I'm ~jealous that some people get to be Stars Pros because of non poker stuff, but I am actually okay with it if that particular person can grow the game. A bunch of the sports stars surely suck at poker, but could they bring in more eyeballs? Of course. Same for movie stars, pop culture icons, and even Twitch streamers. But hot chicks? LOL. Not a chance.

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Guy 1: Wow what is that hot girl doing with those cards?
Guy 2: She's playing poker. Do you know how?
Guy 1: No but I will learn at PokerStars and maybe one day she'll **** me
That will probably be a Stars commercial in 6 months.
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05-31-2015 , 11:25 PM
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But hot chicks?
Me and the dawg were discussing that today. He thinks only Russia/E Euro can successfully have a female pro that actually has a positive effect. Makes sense. Postfem has most of the world not viewing females as sex objects so throwing out some T n A that can click the middle button doesnt work like it used to.
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05-31-2015 , 11:29 PM
Darren mentioned something a while back about a single mom in the US supporting her family solely via online poker. Something like that would definitely inspire women to give poker a shot, the dream of being able to be financially self-reliant and physically be there for your kids at basically the same time.

Instead, PS is using 2+2's tried and true 'Tits or GTFO' approach.
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05-31-2015 , 11:31 PM
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Gonna have to play my NC birthright and...
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05-31-2015 , 11:35 PM
A good socal beach BBQ is seriously under-rated. Derail over.

When Jaime Staples is streaming, he is usually multi-tabling and is very good about answering as many of his viewers questions in pretty good detail. Dunno if he was streaming when he was at your table, but I can see how he might not have responded to your message. He really comes across as a genuinely nice, hard-working guy - dunno how his poker skills rate with other pro's, but he is a very good personality for the game imo. 2nd derail over.
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05-31-2015 , 11:50 PM
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If only everyone immediately sung that hook in their heads when they heard where i was born.

US US US

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06-01-2015 , 10:36 AM
hey man, huge fan here, love ur PGC!
1 question too, how standard is 70bi downswing in 9man turbos? Add the fact that they are packed with fish and probably the softest games ever.
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06-01-2015 , 03:50 PM
hi abarone

been reading and following and reading your post for a while now just want to say thanks for putting the time to help every one.

I have been watching fintan on twitch from the start he know who I am lol.

I've been playing poker for years as a fun player playes cash mtts sng's know I want to take the next level and start grinding up to where you are witch is a dream but we all got to have dream right like you did at the beginning of you poker career.

could you advice me what bank roll to start with abd whats the best stakes to start at.

if you got time to explain some basic 6max turbo strategy ie early mid and late stage.

thanks again and good luck on the gizzy
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06-05-2015 , 08:36 PM
Sorry, didn't see the responses til now as I've taken most of June off so far.

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A good socal beach BBQ is seriously under-rated. Derail over.

When Jaime Staples is streaming, he is usually multi-tabling and is very good about answering as many of his viewers questions in pretty good detail. Dunno if he was streaming when he was at your table, but I can see how he might not have responded to your message. He really comes across as a genuinely nice, hard-working guy - dunno how his poker skills rate with other pro's, but he is a very good personality for the game imo. 2nd derail over.
I multi-table, too.

He prob didn't respond because he missed it or was busy. We're all human, it happens. My comment about interacting with the rec players was more geared towards my fellow regs and not necessarily Staples. 99% of the interaction I see from regs is berating a fish who made what they deem to be a terrible play. It's one of the only times I'll jump in and berate a reg.

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hey man, huge fan here, love ur PGC!
1 question too, how standard is 70bi downswing in 9man turbos? Add the fact that they are packed with fish and probably the softest games ever.
Size/probability of downers have to deal with your edge, so the larger your edge, less likely you'll go on a swing. I personally don't have a 70 BI downer in turbos this year tho I'm pretty sure I've went on one before. That said, I'm assuming my edge is higher than most, so it might be way more common among players with lower ROIs.

Oh and the softest game ever isn't 9 max turbos -- it's $3R 180s.

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could you advice me what bank roll to start with abd whats the best stakes to start at.
The questions you're asking here are extremely broad. Your starting 'roll/stakes depends a lot on your own ability/edge in the games and how much you can "afford to lose." I've always wanted 200+ BI to play a particular stake and while I've been ridiculed for my BR nittiness by several regs, I've never went broke.

The best stakes to start at are those:

1) You can beat
2) In a format you enjoy
3) Are low enough where losing doesn't wreck you

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if you got time to explain some basic 6max turbo strategy ie early mid and late stage.
I've played <20 6-max turbos in my life, but my general strat would be to focus on accumulating early (opening a lot of pots in LP/c-betting, isolating weak limpers, identifying the weaker players and their tendencies). Accumulation is less important than survival during late-game/bubble because of the heavy ICM tax, so be sure to study 6-max ICM for the correct push/fold ranges.

Guarantee you can find some book that gives you a more detailed way to play early, mid, and late but remember those are just guidelines and usually they advocate nitty play/static ranges and that's 100% not the most optimal way to play (anymore).
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06-06-2015 , 01:06 PM
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Oh and the softest game ever isn't 9 max turbos -- it's $3R 180s.
Come on now. Have you even played these games? Full of solid players. No money there
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06-06-2015 , 02:21 PM
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99% of the interaction I see from regs is berating a fish who made what they deem to be a terrible play. It's one of the only times I'll jump in and berate a reg.
Do you berate the reg while the fish is still on the table? If so, what do you usually tell em?

Also BIG +1 to interacting with rec players. Regs just dont realise the long term value of it, Im sure there would be tons of people still playing this game if it didnt feel like playing bots all the time (especially in SNGs).

Doesnt even have to be much. A simple "gl hf" when getting heads-up, a quick comment on the avatar/name or complimenting a good hand, goes quick and will improve the longevity of poker.
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06-06-2015 , 02:43 PM
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Do you berate the reg while the fish is still on the table? If so, what do you usually tell em?

Also BIG +1 to interacting with rec players. Regs just dont realise the long term value of it, Im sure there would be tons of people still playing this game if it didnt feel like playing bots all the time (especially in SNGs).

Doesnt even have to be much. A simple "gl hf" when getting heads-up, a quick comment on the avatar/name or complimenting a good hand, goes quick and will improve the longevity of poker.
Ya, exactly. Maybe someone should develop software for this that allows the multi-tabling reg to automatically send a response to the recreational that posts a message in the chat box. A simple, "ya, I agree.", "Gl to you too.", or "Congratulations on making it into the money." might go a long way to preserving the past time of playing online poker for the recreational player.

I'm joking of course with this software idea but really, all players should be more social at the tables when they have the option to do so in game. I mean, I remember SpaceGravy talking to me while 20+ tabling SnGs so if someone that plays the volume that he did back in the day can chat with other players it should be possible for others as well. Keep the game as fun as possible for the you and the other players and it will make it much more enjoyable for all, including the regs.
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06-06-2015 , 07:02 PM
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Come on now. Have you even played these games? Full of solid players. No money there
None.

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Do you berate the reg while the fish is still on the table? If so, what do you usually tell em?
Depends on the reg, usually something either defending the rec's play or attacking the reg. I told one guy he was being a 'Very mean person' which is somewhat cheeky but also accurate. I actually get MORE annoyed when regs berate a fish after shipping the pot. Sore winner ftl.

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Also BIG +1 to interacting with rec players. Regs just dont realise the long term value of it, Im sure there would be tons of people still playing this game if it didnt feel like playing bots all the time (especially in SNGs).

Doesnt even have to be much. A simple "gl hf" when getting heads-up, a quick comment on the avatar/name or complimenting a good hand, goes quick and will improve the longevity of poker.
+100000
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06-07-2015 , 12:05 AM
I absolutely intended no slight at you personally, abarone - I think you would make a great PS pro tbh and if I could vote for you I would. I would vote for sippin criss too for that matter. My point was more regarding Jaime, although his becoming a PS pro did seem to happen exceedingly fast.
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06-07-2015 , 01:43 AM
How do you keep the motivational fires going. Youve had money to chill on for a minute. What keeps you grinding and pressing and moving up, as you have the last 18 months or so?
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06-07-2015 , 03:47 AM
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I absolutely intended no slight at you personally, abarone - I think you would make a great PS pro tbh and if I could vote for you I would. I would vote for sippin criss too for that matter. My point was more regarding Jaime, although his becoming a PS pro did seem to happen exceedingly fast.
Oh I didn't take it as a slight, in fact I wanted to make it clear that I wasn't anti-Jaime at all. A big part of why Jaime became a pro rather quickly is because the Twitch scene exploded almost overnight and Stars wanted to capitalize on that audience in case that flame dims in the coming months. It makes perfect sense, business-wise. WP, Stars.

While I'd love to be a Team Pro, there are several other individuals that I'd vote for ahead of myself. Would my inclusion grow the game? Eh, maybe. I think it would be good for SNGs to have their own 'Pro' to show rec players that you can make it by playing those games. But I'm certainly not the only possible choice to represent SNGs.

I've mentioned her before, but Katie Dozier (HotJenny314) is probably my #1 pick. She's a great poker player, regularly interacts with the table, active on social media, hits the woman demographic, and is a super friendly person.

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How do you keep the motivational fires going. Youve had money to chill on for a minute. What keeps you grinding and pressing and moving up, as you have the last 18 months or so?
I'm in the minority on this, but I still have a lot of passion for the game. A lot of guys who have been playing for a while are rather withered. They've lost that spark that made poker so enjoyable in the first place, the drive that made them want to put in hours on and off the table.

I guess I still have it.

A common question I'm asked is, 'How much $ would I have to win to quit poker entirely?' The amount is staggering because playing poker remains one of my favorite pastimes and I don't know what else I'd do with my time. When I finished off SNE last November, I planned on spending the rest of the year off the tables. But a few weeks later, I found myself a bit bored and fired up some games.

Being on the 'SNE grind' has really helped motivate me these last 18 months. I don't think I was lacking in that beforehand, but now I have more focus -- I know I need to get x amount of VPPs per day/month and without that pressure I think I'd work less often.

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Youve had money to chill on for a minute.
Wanted to address this by itself -- I'm doing fine, financially. Comfortable. But I'm only 29 and nowhere near retirement, so now would be a terrible time to chill. Have some financial milestones in mind, #s I want to have saved up by certain birthdays, because eventually, I won't be able to do this for a living. Either the games will dry up, my eyesight will diminish, I'll get carpal-tunnel, or some other unforeseen circumstance will force me to do something else. When that time comes, I want to have enough $ saved where I can continue living the same quality of life while transitioning to another job.

Soapbox incoming -- even some of the more successful regulars aren't saving IMO, they're scraping by, spending lavishly, and/or accumulating debt. Doesn't bode well for their financial future, as this is an industry where the returns are diminishing. In a non poker career, your perks increase as time is spent with the company (More vacation time, pay raises, etc) but that doesn't happen with poker. There's no severance package when you quit so you better have a plan in place and some money saved up. That's what I'm trying to do.
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06-07-2015 , 03:55 AM
Nice thread Acbarone. Thanks for sharing.
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