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Old 05-22-2017, 05:49 PM   #1
NiallOBrien
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9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

Should HERO call in this spot on the bubble, with the short stack all in? ICMIZER says call. More than half Hero's stack paid BB.

PokerStars Hand #170784176738: Tournament #1920907095, $3.31+$0.19 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2017/05/22 22:28:01 WET [2017/05/22 17:28:01 ET]
Table '1920907095 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: STEELC0LD (1738 in chips)
Seat 6: Wickedsouls (1978 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO (493 in chips)
Seat 8: definitelyAx2 (291 in chips)
STEELC0LD: posts the ante 25
Wickedsouls: posts the ante 25
HERO: posts the ante 25
definitelyAx2: posts the ante 25
Wickedsouls: posts small blind 125
I.Niall.I: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ks 8c]
definitelyAx2: raises 16 to 266 and is all-in
STEELC0LD: raises 234 to 500
Wickedsouls: folds
HERO: folds
Uncalled bet (234) returned to STEELC0LD
*** FLOP *** [Kc 8h 6c]
*** TURN *** [Kc 8h 6c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 8h 6c Qd] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
definitelyAx2: shows [7c Ac] (high card Ace)
STEELC0LD: shows [Ad 3d] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
definitelyAx2 collected 1007 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1007 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 8h 6c Qd 2d]
Seat 4: STEELC0LD (button) showed [Ad 3d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: Wickedsouls (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: HERO (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: definitelyAx2 showed [7c Ac] and won (1007) with high card Ace
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:05 PM   #2
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

Easy call, I don't know what ICM recommends but I would call a LOT of hands in that spot, maybe close to any 2 (def any suited).

Checked in calc now, it's an any 2 spot (adjusted CO range to a more realistic one).

K8o is +1.3, folding it is a big mistake.

Even without ICM calc, just think with logic - you and the bigstack both cover him, so if bigstack wins, u still get 3rd, if you win, you will have a massive stack. If shorty wins, you might still win vs bigstack and stay alive.
If you fold and shorty wins, you are in a horrible position to cash this tournament.
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:48 AM   #3
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

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Easy call, I don't know what ICM recommends but I would call a LOT of hands in that spot, maybe close to any 2 (def any suited).
Calling 32s is about -3%, just saying

"ICM calcs"

Hm, is it a good idea to use a model that does not see the guy behind me is Ai in 2 hands on the bubble while hero is not?

U still streaming right? GL, love what u do to get new players into the pool

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Old 05-23-2017, 08:18 AM   #4
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

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Calling 32s is about -3%, just saying

"ICM calcs"

Hm, is it a good idea to use a model that does not see the guy behind me is Ai in 2 hands on the bubble while hero is not?

U still streaming right? GL, love what u do to get new players into the pool
I get +1.36 with 32s (adjusted CO range to make it more realistic + FGS).

You need to use FGS in HoldemResources to calculate this hand properly. Of course, without FGS it might give you wrong results like telling you to fold 32s there.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:48 AM   #5
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

My bad, i misread the hand and did a totally different calculation, makes first post nonsense.
if interested, this was what i did:

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Old 05-23-2017, 10:01 PM   #6
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

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Even without ICM calc, just think with logic - you and the bigstack both cover him, so if bigstack wins, u still get 3rd, if you win, you will have a massive stack. If shorty wins, you might still win vs bigstack and stay alive.
If you fold and shorty wins, you are in a horrible position to cash this tournament.

^thats what you should take away from this


also, if you fold and shortie doubles up youre screwed

AND calling here will also decrease the amount of 3rd places you get and increase 2nd and 1st, witch is obv what we want
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Old 05-29-2017, 01:54 PM   #7
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Re: 9max hyper, on the bubble. Call or fold?

Thanks for the responses. I agree with what your logic. Cheers
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