I've just started grinding the $5 and $10 9man turbos on 888.
After 100 odd games I'm showing decent profit.
I would be interested to hear to thoughts of anyone else that plays these SNGs or has experience with them in the past?
Also I'm new to grinding - is 100 games too little to be confident that you can beat a particular SNG?
Here's my graph:

Yes 100 games is to little, that will be affected by variance for a huge part.
I would say that once you have played 1000 SNG's you will have a decent picture of how you perform. Then your ROI will probably be within a 2% range.

Thanks!
I thought I was getting a bit ahead of myself..
I'll update when I hit 1000

Yeah 100 is definitely not enough. I play on Stars and grind between £3 and £10 6max. The £10s aren't particularly soft so if 888 is anything like Stars your probably doing a lot right already. Keep up the good work.

I've played both. Kinda stopped on 888 for the moment due to terrible run bad. On about 4% roi on stars £7/3.50 (10k + games) I've dropped about £150 on 888 over 400 games, so not my fav place at the moment!!

Thanks Sharky!

So you reckon stars is softer than 888 at this level?
I've tried a few of the $7's on stars aswel I think I prefer the blind structure on 888

Thanks!

I think people play worse on 888... lots of limping and silly limp calls with 66 type hands which they would do better to shove.

I read lots of "it's rigged" posts with scepticism, but I have to say something feels a bit off with the RNG. As a rec I am never going to get the kind of sample size to back me up, but I can choose to not play there. Bad beats happen, both on stars and 888... it's just the manner in which the cards come down that makes me suspicious. Stars feels random - 888 feels like being mind raped!!

Play way more games and look at icm $EV rather than winnings, it's about 3.8x more "accurate" afair (there are very competent number guys around here who can elaborate on this). U can do calculations with free software, e.g. "SwongSim" from user MaxCut.
U can define your own risk aversion and calc stuff like "I need to have an EV of X over Y games to be 90% secure i beat these games for >=Z % ROI" , or w/e u exactly want to calc.
Define "beating" a certain game type. Is this making more than zero dollar expected for the fun and brag? More than what the average reg does? More than reaching the hourly of flipping burgers or w/e alternative side job? Not losing if the games were rakefree, cause that means u're at least better than 50% of field?

i have been grinding 5 dollar hypers on ignition for 10 months. I average 150 tourneys a month with an average ROI of 1.12 or 12% with rake. Over those 10 months (at 150 tourneys per month sample) my ROI by month varied from .5% to 35% so you can start to see the variance over 150 ish tourneys.

Knock on wood i haven't had a losing month yet.

Good Job!
That's kinda what I'm aiming for starting off. I just want to prove to myself that I can be a consistently winning player even if the $ is not much.
My nativity has become glaringly apparent like I win a few $5's and I'm like hey this is easy I'll just bump up to $10 and I'll make twice as much money..
All of a sudden my bankroll is dwindling ha!


I'm gonna define beating a game as having an ROI of at least 10% over at least 1000 games.
And yes I just plucked those numbers out of the sky and have absolutely no reasoning to back them up.
I'm new to all this, can you tell?
I don't think I understand ICM, I need to read into it more.
Like I know what it is but I have no idea how to apply it in a practical way to my game, particularly SNG's.
And the $EV stat in Holdem Manager makes no sense to me.

I think 10% is manageable at low stakes. I was talking to a high stakes grinder of STT on Twitch (great place to learn btw, I would recommend TonkaaaaP, Doug Polk, or Jason Sommerville) and he said 1-2% ROI for Hyper Sit and Gos is good at high stakes. But at our level we can get a much greater edge than the 500 and Up buyin STTs.

are there any 30-100$ non-hyper and non-HU STTs running on 888?

do they even have these games?
if they do, how often do they run?

Regular SNGs: http://imgur.com/a/ohI21
Turbo SNGs: http://imgur.com/a/j4VMR

Don´t know how often they run tho

thanks, basically the games stop at 20$ for some reason

Sometimes there's barely enough action to fill the tables at $5 so I guess there's not enough players at higher stakes to justify it

Colin I'm gonna say you're way to smart to really believe over 400 games a human is spotting rng errors.
You know you're a winning player over a huge sample, you say yourself the players there are weaker, I'm going to take a leap and say you play very well against reasonable somewhat logical players, but don't exploit bad irrational players nearly so well - and they TILT you with all their nonsensical play - on top of obviously running bad.

It's funny how we all see thngs so skewed when running bad.
One of mine is I feel like when I'm running bad, whenever I coin flip with overs v pp I "always" hit my overs and then he hits a set otr.
I convince myself this happens because its the most painful way to loose - I hit, feel the joy/expectation I'll win and then it's all snatched away from me in the last moment in the most unlikely way.
Because after all, the world is against me...
lolz @ self - fires up the next sng

For most game types at non-micro stakes, this is neither possible nor necessary to make decent money. Sure it's possible at micro stakes, just that no one in their right mind does this because he can just print more money by playing higher stakes with a lower roi. For all calculations you can use the program I mentioned which is nice and free.

gl at the tables

Ok so I'm learning that maybe 10% is unrealistic..
I'm almost 400 games in and feeling very break-eveny