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Old 08-16-2012, 07:46 PM   #16
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

Also we chop some Kx here which some people are not mentioning
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:53 PM   #17
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

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I wouldn't say it's not possible. I'm just saying its highly unlikely and to put all those combos in his range you have to had seen it before. Also, I would not limp with those types of hands it just doesn't pay off enough.
1400 on the river is either for value or for bluff. Value hands like TPGK, 6x, straight hands we're behind almost all of his value hands.

As for his bluff hands, there's some straight draws that missed, the obvious flush draw, missed set mine.

fwiw, I DO think he has it here... his sizing suggests he has Kx beat, unless we know he can triple barrel and then it becomes a Phil Laak-esque argument.

"He knows that I'm going to think his river looks like max value, but does he think I'm going to think he knows that so I have to fold when I would normally call?"
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:26 PM   #18
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

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I think my hand is very polarised then and i think he folds some 9x plus i think its possible there are some treble barrell hands 87/T8/85 etc.
This is really too much overthinking imo. Keep it simple and get it in when you likely have the best hand. So what if he folds a worse hand sometimes? Increasing your stack by ~25% is usually not a bad thing.

Anyway, yeah once you get to the river as played I think you're beat a lot. But I still like just getting it in ott. It'd be different if we were deeper or had similar stack sizes.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:02 AM   #19
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

I think the turn check/call is quite bad tbh, though you said you had some history with him 3-9handed, I wouldn't assume most regs in STT is going to 3B with air on that board after you check/call twice.

If you think he's decent, then just click it back or whatever similar sizing on turn to induce since you rep so little doing that on turn.

As played just fold though he doesn't really rep much with that sizing.
His range for betting that sizing on river are probably 75, T7 and 6x and I would imagine he would bet bigger on turn with 6x to size a larger bet on river a large % of time if he is really decent.

Also I would prefer leading on that flop rather than just check calling K high OOP.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:57 AM   #20
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

I would expect villain to have enough spaz in his range to make this a very profitable call. He can easily have bluffed flop, tried to rep king on the turn and fired a last hurrah on river.

I think your line is best here. I see no point getting it in on turn and I don't think chip disparity means anything tbh, we are playing an 18 bb eff game.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:03 PM   #21
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With 18 BBs, and a 3:1 chip disadvantage, why not just get it in ott? It can still look super bluffy and get looked up by worse hands. River is pretty meh, but with your line I'd likely sigh call as well.
Are you suggesting that at 18 BBs but even with opponent, we should do something different? Not sure how 3:1 is relevant.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:35 PM   #22
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

Why are you c/c the flop, c/r or fold. As played there's 50% of your stack in there, why aren't you c/r the turn?
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Old 08-19-2012, 03:38 PM   #23
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Are you suggesting that at 18 BBs but even with opponent, we should do something different? Not sure how 3:1 is relevant.
I would say our stack size relative to our opponents is usually an important aspect of poker yes? And with our opponent having a big chip advantage over us, and half our stack already in the middle, it's time to gamble and double up. Our stack size and our opponents is almost always going to determine what line we should take, so I'd say it's pretty relevant.
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I would say our stack size relative to our opponents is usually an important aspect of poker yes? And with our opponent having a big chip advantage over us, and half our stack already in the middle, it's time to gamble and double up. Our stack size and our opponents is almost always going to determine what line we should take, so I'd say it's pretty relevant.
You realize we're heads up in this hand right? If we have 18 BBs HU, I fail to see why we might we play differently if our opponent has 18 BBs or 49 BB like in this hand. Effective stacks are 18 BBs either way. What am I missing?
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Old 08-19-2012, 05:01 PM   #25
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

That our opponent has a large chip lead over us and we need to win some chips? Agree we have 18BB effective stacks, but we aren't likely to get many better spots than a well disguised top pair and have already put a decent chunk in the middle trying to make some flop move. There are two things I normally like to look at HU: the effective stacks and the relative stacks. Neither is more important than the other imo.

What are you suggesting we do?
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Old 08-19-2012, 07:27 PM   #26
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That our opponent has a large chip lead over us and we need to win some chips? Agree we have 18BB effective stacks, but we aren't likely to get many better spots than a well disguised top pair and have already put a decent chunk in the middle trying to make some flop move. There are two things I normally like to look at HU: the effective stacks and the relative stacks. Neither is more important than the other imo.

What are you suggesting we do?
So if we were the one with the large chip lead, we wouldn't need to win some chips? I've not commented on the hand at all and I wasn't arguing against your hand advice at all. Just the part about the 3:1 chip disadvantage being a reason for our action, when it's irrelevant. You've missed my point and failed to address my question twice, so I guess I give up.

Fwiw, I think there are merits to check raising or check calling the turn. As played, river is gross when he bets that big, so I shrug fold.
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Old 08-20-2012, 06:13 AM   #27
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Re: $7 9 man vs Decent reg capable of making moves- HU

Would never flat the flop and would give action on the turn, so I dunno. Prolly just call because I try never to fold TP vs unknowns.
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