sb 50/22 38h - has been tightened up since achieved big stack in last 2 orbits.
BB 21/13 38h

With antes it's about 10bb. 15 from everyone, pot is 255. open shove?

Appreciate all the feedback

Limp.

It depends a little bit on your image. As u have 12 bb (not <10bb????) I'd just minraise whilst being ready to fold against a shove

P.S. I hope the limp comment is a troll

The limp is most deffinitely not a troll and I agree with it.

thanks for all the feedback first.

why is limp the best possible play in a spot of high blinds with a weak holding? Please help me understand your pov.

Yeah now I wanna know it, too. Sorry, but I never ever had supposed that this would be the correct move here. NEVER

Because people play terrible in limped pots. Generally people have learned how to react to minraises, even bad players, and that's to flat wide and shove over wide. So, if most of the time you minraise you meet either a flat or a shove, then minraise isn't a good option anymore. When you limp, people don't know how to respond (generally believing you to be trapping), and they will only jam over your limp with the same range that they would have jammed if you raise. So when they jam you can safely fold and lose less chips. When the bb checks, you go post flop, in position, with a good post flop hand, in a situation where most people don't play well because they don't feel they have anything invested in the hand and just play fit or fold postflop, which means they will be folding to your limp cbets waaay too much. Also by having a limping range at this stack depth, it allows you to limp trap hands like JJ+ and still get action.

Also when you limp you keep the effective stacks deeper post, thereby allowing you to exploit your opponents more. If you raise and get flatted, you cbet and get called, then what? The pot is now so big you basically have to be all in on the turn if you want to do anything. When you're playing against bad players post flop, you want enough room to maneuver, so the deeper the stacks are postflop, the more ways you can exploit your opponent.

Closing your mind to certain options is the quickest way to not make it very far in poker. There's no "rules" about what you can and can't do. If you learn to think out of the box, you will succeed and move up. If not, you will just keep grinding it out at the same stakes year after year with other people who have the same mentality.

To add on to sandman, J9o is a very very sweet hand to do the limp, as most better Jx and most better 9x will be in their reshoving range. So when BB checks and has a Nine or Jack too, you will dominate him very often.

Thx a lot. Especially for the very long and informative post above. Pretty much appreciated.

And yeah, you are right actually. To be honest I am indeed that kind of mass grinder making the same standard moves all day. Time to change that!

If you have J9, and someone else has J2, the flop is going to be jack high way less 7% of the time. It's going to be 9 high way less than 7% of the time.

Just over 13% of the time will you see your very optimistic scenario.

All I was trying to say is, if flop comes J83, you can happily get it vs a lot of players.

The other 87% of flops are up to you to figure out if you can develop a winning limping strategie (I did and Im not even good).

Yes thanks for taking the time to explain that in detail and thanks for everyone's input as well..

couple this with the fact that most people fold to limp cbets over 55% of the time and even more to turn barrels because they don't feel comitted to the hand .
And now compare this when you minraise and the SB shoves 15% of the time, the BB shoves 20% and flats another 40% and then only folds on the flop to a cbet 35% of the time because stacks are short enough that he can jam all draws and every top pair and second pair and float with a lot of other stuff because to put continued pressure you have to jam turn which you can't do most of the time. And he also refuses to fold 3rd pair because he's put so much money in the pot and feels emotionally invested. When you add all these factors, it's easy to see why limping is the best strat.