888 Poker - $6.50+$0.50|150/300 Ante 30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 16.59 BB
SB: 13.41 BB (VPIP: 20.91, PFR: 16.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 231)

2 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.7 BB) Hero has A 7

SB raises to 2.5 BB, fold



Ok. HRC absolutely hated this fold for obvious reasons. but its the first time villain has raised not all in. now he could of just adjusted to the fact hes stack has increased marginally but so far he has open shoved 12 bb a couple of times. I just think if I shove I get called by hands that dominate me so often.
Villain is half decent reg and I have little/no edge vs him.

I would just reshove, but if you have that read why not just flat him and see what happens. I don't usually ever fold from a small raise with a ace HU.

He probably just thinks he's deep enough to raise/fold now and I'd shove this always.

don't fold

if you think you have a read that you can fold this, you're wrong

You can call, minraise, or shove. Folding is a disaster and you're bad.

Yeah this was what I was wondering. but why 2.5x its like he doesn't want me to call and put me in shove or fold status. Ive minned raise a few times heads up normally as it has fe they normally reciprocate with the same raise size.

I was obviously calling a shove but in game I just felt like he wanted me to shove. Id been very aggressive both hu and on the bubble.

I guess you guys who say flat play a very different style to me, I just would never flat here ever. im liking 'absolutely' no flops. but then this maybe because I have a mistaken read on his bet sizing I suppose.

I guess he does raise fold sometimes but in game it doesn't feel he would fold often enough and I felt like im crushed by his raise calling range.

anyway I won it on the next hand proving im right

#only the results matter

lol you should stream yourself running up 40k on twitch while saying **** like that and being serious.

If only the results matter why bother asking?

He 2.5x maybe because this is his standard raise size?

[QUOTE=mtgalex;45550940]If only the results matter why bother asking?



err that was a joke obviously not funny as you took me seriously

Calling with Ax out of position this deep really isn't great I don't think. I mean on any Ace high flop we have to get it in and we are hating everything else. I can't really see why we want to put ourselves in that unpleasant spot.

I think the if this guy a semi-decent player than we can jam here pretty profitably. The 2.5bb is a bit strange (with min raise being so standard) but you do get all sorts of weird stuff. Also raising 2.5 means that we should be moving our worst calling hands into fold and increasing our 3bet jamming range. I don't think it's relevant here as if he min raises I think we still need to jam

Not much to say here. Folding is just clearly very bad and trying to justify it in any way is even worse.
You're blocking a huge chunk of the hands you're scared of and it's pretty silly to think that, even if he had shoved every hand over a small sample, that he's ONLY going to raise small with the nut hands. Actually from a meta standpoint, if he was a good reg he'd probably want to shove even more of his monsters after he's done so much shoving, and he might want to turn a few hands that are usually very marginal shoves into raise/folds.

It's good that you're willing to think outside of the box, it really is. But you also have to be able to step back and realize when you're clearly just going down the wrong hole, and pull yourself back out.

Flat, jam, or raise.

Just don't fold.

I understand the reasoning and all. But if you don't want to raise at the very least I think a call is acceptable simply for pot odds and post flop play reasons.

Psychology only gets you so far. May not want to shove this guy after making a strange looking play (from past behavior) but I see nothing wrong with flatting imo.

Yeah great post imo. OP is making reads and then making adjustments that are not only over adjustments, but also likely adjustments in the wrong direction. He really needs to think more about how ranges are constructed.

Don't flat here. I mean flatting is more understandable than folding but it is still a really big mistake. I think against any realistic range that we can assign our villian 3bet jamming here is +ev and more so than calling.

Flatting puts us in such an unpleasant position post flop which is almost impossible to know how to play.


Why pot odds? I mean are we just jamming any ace/7 and folding to anything else? If this is the plan it is much better to get it in now. Also this plays terribly out of position post flop I think?

You could try to post this in the HUSNG (or a hand similar, probably not allowed to cross post) section to see what people make of it over there as you will probably get much better responses than here.

thanks all for your comments. I accept its to much of a deviation from nash for our stack depth for a read over such a small sample.
I also except your point that due to card elimination the part of his range im worried about is reduced by nearly 1/3. but I did consider that in game I always do.
whats worrying me is in game it felt like a good fold and it still feels kind of good to me now. If I start making decisions based on feelings Im starting down the road to degenville perhaps driving whilst trying to read a newspaper.

Oh im never flatting though.

+1 to hmmmm16 you'll definitely get better info on average from the HUSNG forum on these hands. I love my STTers but most of them aren't as nuanced in HU.

I'm rooting for you, URagnatha!