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Originally Posted by diseage
I know my thinking isn't nearly up to par with you guys but I would be interested to know why my thinking is incorrect, which I understand it is.
This forum is best IMO when we have people of all experience/skill level responding to threads and I hope my answers in the past haven't shamed people into lurking instead of posting.
While some responses are surely 'more right' than others, having a community where people feel free to discuss their opinions is going to lead to more critical thinking about seemingly standard spots and ultimately, improvement in all of our respective games.
/soapbox
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Originally Posted by diseage
I still don't quite know why my answer is wrong. My overall preference is to be the aggressor on the bubble. We'd be out of position and not really sure where we'd be if we called. And if we shove and we're called are we really fist pumping here? We're flipping at best right?
As far as ranges go, Player4 is kind of short and he's on the button 3 handed, I honestly don't know how to put that on an accurate range.
First off, your answer didn't take into account both his raising range and the range/frequency that he calls our shove. Both are crucial elements needed to determine whether a shove here is +EV or not. There are players who open super loose and almost never call, there are players that only have a tight opening range and snap off shoves with all of it, and there are players in between.
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Originally Posted by diseage
My overall preference is to be the aggressor on the bubble.
I don't disagree with this, in theory, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the situation at hand. Our goal isn't to be an aggressor, it's to take the most +EV lines/spots possible. Often, that's done by being aggressive.
Here, we do have a spot to be aggressive -- by reshoving a small pair vs a button open.
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Originally Posted by diseage
We'd be out of position and not really sure where we'd be if we called.
Not a huge fan of calling here, especially readless. Might be my least favorite option if we're folding to postflop aggression.
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Originally Posted by diseage
And if we shove and we're called are we really fist pumping here? We're flipping at best right?
A huge part of our equity in this hand comes from fold equity. So if he's raising a wide range and folding most of it, we pick up the pot often without a showdown.
If called, are we happy? I don't assume we'd be ahead of the range that calls a shove, but often we'd be flipping so I wouldn't be terribly unhappy. Regardless, if he's folding 99% of the time (I know he's not, but I'm using that as an example) then it's a massively +EV play even when snaps off overpairs.