we can call or make it 950 or whatever min raise is at this point.
Jam sounds bad indeed.

I kinda agree. But I prefer folding anyway

He's never on a stone-cold bluff here. And like Phil Galfond says, if we can only beat a semi-bluff, it's usually better to fold.

Very weird assumption that hes never on a stone cold bluff here imo =) I bluff this way when play hu for example.

What is the benefit of calling, do overcards to the 7 concern you?

What is the benefit of 3betting over pushing? I think he shoves or folds the same hands regardless of a 3bet or a push, and dont think he flats.

+1

If we're beat, we're beat. Based on the information, villain could easily be making a move, and even if he isn't we are either down to 5 outs if he has Ax (20% equity). Flatting is horrible because he can easily just barrel the turn, then at that point we're at an even worse spot with our value hand. Villain would 3-bet a fair bit of his Ax pre at these blinds if he is an aggressive reg. Don't give villain a free card to beat us. Shove!

To induce villain to make some random ass allin with nothing ldo. Depending on gameflow he might have w/e ten high and go **** you bernard raising my c/r everytime

I like the idea. If villain has a flush draw, they will definitely be induced to shove by clicking it back. It's super easy for hero to have an Ax in this spot, but villain will know hero could bluff at having the Ax a fair bit of the time. If we just 3-bet, it probably induce a shove from somebody as aggressive as OP has described.

I think the amount of times he is going to "4bet" bluff his stack here is way offset by the value of trying to get it all in on flop before a turn scare card makes him fold bottom pair, or pp<77 , but would have gotten in on the flop, and yes im aware this is one sentence.

when you push you shut down ur opponent bluffs and he has to either call or fold with another raise he still has plenty of options to spazz. Also I am less committed with this play so if he folds hell think it was a cheap bluff and gets a little more tilty.

As for overcards to 7, I think after we call he will continue most turns and chances that he actually has 2 overs and improves turn.. are not super big.

Hey Q,

Yeah i agree, but what he interprets more a bluff (a shove or 3bet) should dictate which we do. He might look at a 3bet is stronger than a shove.

Disregard my last response to you, multiskyping, I quoted wrong post.

To clarify, a shove might induce more effectively than a 3bet.

Yea but if he thinks we bluff push.. he has no no showdown options. So even if he fully thinkgs we are on a bluff, if he was on a bluff he has to fold. Not so much with small 3bet.

Do you often make a small 3bet as a bluff in that spot? I mean, I get what Tomo is saying, you want to give him a chance to donk it off with his air but for him to do that he has to think he has fold equity.

im tired so maybe im missing something but if we're the button why are we acting first on the flop?

Good point, but i took villains raise as a CR.. figured he just didnt write the first check in