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06-20-2012, 03:27 PM
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$60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
$60 6max turbo
Villain is a good agressive reg and he is aware of the fact that Hero is a winning reg as well.
HU, 2 players left!
Blinds 100-200, 25 ante.
Hero, SB (3590 chips) Kc7s
Villain, BB (5360 chips)
Preflop action:
Hero minraises to 400, Villain calls.
flop action:
3hAd7h pot 850 chips
Hero bets 310 and Villain minraises to 620.
Pot is 1780 chips leaving Hero with 2880 and Villain with 4340 at this point.
What should Hero do after Villain's raise on the flop?
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06-20-2012, 03:36 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
I would raise him back small like 350-370 more and call a shove. CiB seems fine too though I prefer to do a touch over cib
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06-20-2012, 04:05 PM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
Based on the metagame between you two, good chance he does not have an ace here, and I usually have a hard time folding middle pair hu. I just shove over his bet.
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06-20-2012, 04:06 PM
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grinder
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
i would snap shove... im my newbee opinion
i dont know the villain, but by this bet feels like he have a flush draw +7 (76 87 T7 J7 Q7).
If he is multitabling, he maybe could think he can extract some value with air when you dont have Ax
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06-20-2012, 04:07 PM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
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Originally Posted by jaxtraw
Based on the metagame between you two, good chance he does not have an ace here, and I usually have a hard time folding middle pair hu. I just shove over his bet.
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Do you think he will flat the flop with Ace to trap or do you think he would reraise all in before the flop, with Ax type of hands?
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06-20-2012, 04:16 PM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
[QUOTE=vadiupoker;33378443]i would snap shove... im my newbee opinion
i dont know the villain, but by this bet feels like he have a flush draw +7 (76 87 T7 J7 Q7).
Why shove if you think he doesn't have an ace? You can reraise his raise and he might think that you would never do that if you actually have the ace. If he has a f-draw or second pair it goes all in anyway if you reraise small or push all in. By shoving you take the possibility away that he 4-bet bluff!
Not too many players will bluff here with total air because he knows that I know he probably reraises all in with any ace preflop so he must be aware that there's a big chance i play back!
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06-20-2012, 04:18 PM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
I think he usually raises with an ace preflop but "could" flat, and I think if he did flat you preflop with an ace and hit the flop he would wait for the turn to raise.
But a definite game flow situation, probably need to consider if he has been playing back to your miniraises
Last edited by jaxtraw; 06-20-2012 at 04:32 PM.
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06-20-2012, 04:54 PM
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grinder
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
I think villain would have raised an Ax pre. That min-raise is rather annoying, but he could be on a flush draw, an Ace he flatted pre, or just have air and wants to play back at you. I think I would shove over his min-raise.
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06-20-2012, 07:47 PM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
I agree with Tomo slightly larger than min 3b looks good on flop.
it's interesting cause i know you crush hu hypers and you're asking 6m/FR guys a HU spot :P. With that said, i think most would agree that HU in a 6max game will play a bit differently since avg winning reg would play slightly worse HU (possibly including flatting Ax more often this short).
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06-21-2012, 04:52 AM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
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Originally Posted by braminc
I agree with Tomo slightly larger than min 3b looks good on flop.
it's interesting cause i know you crush hu hypers and you're asking 6m/FR guys a HU spot :P. With that said, i think most would agree that HU in a 6max game will play a bit differently since avg winning reg would play slightly worse HU (possibly including flatting Ax more often this short).
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I have also played a lot of 6, 9 and 18men and its true most 6 max regs play a little bit worser HU on average then HU regs but from my experience they will almost always push with Ax.
Tomo solution seems also good to me.
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06-21-2012, 06:08 AM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
jamming the flop is soo bad lol
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06-21-2012, 07:01 AM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
no reason for it at all , call of 3bet both better not sure hwihc is best
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06-21-2012, 07:22 AM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
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Originally Posted by Mecastyles
jamming the flop is soo bad lol
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+1
If we think bluffs are a large part of his raising range, raising is going to fold out all his bluffs that we beat and get calls from everything that beats us.
I'd probably just fold to the raise, but if hero really thinks he's ahead, flatting is the best line
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06-21-2012, 08:18 AM
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
Flatting seems terrible. If he is bluffing, your mid pair needs some protection, why let him get a free card or two to hit an over to your pair?
And shoving and 3betting will have the same effect, as you are not going to fold if he pushes over your 3bet i hope. But against a thinking player need to balance your shoves here, mid pairs top pairs, drwas etcc..
Last edited by jaxtraw; 06-21-2012 at 08:25 AM.
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06-21-2012, 08:36 AM
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stranger
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Re: $60 6max turbo: villain's raises c-bet
Hi there! I'm the villian LOL my range here will be 7s, some Ax that i decided to just call (not usually) ,FD and some slow play like KK,QQ,JJ
I'm agree that the best way to play against my CIB is to CIB again , not agree with the last two reply beacuse in that spot i have never pure bluff
agree with jaxtraw
Last edited by srxakgirona; 06-21-2012 at 08:37 AM.
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