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NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,500)
Hero ($1,580)
UTG ($1,490)
UTG+1 ($1,460)
CO ($1,510)
BTN ($1,460)

Dealt to Hero A J

UTG raises to $40, fold, CO calls $40, fold, fold, Hero calls $20

FLOP ($130) J 3 8

Hero bets $71, UTG calls $71, CO folds

TURN ($272) J 3 8 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $80, Hero calls $80

RIVER ($432) J 3 8 5 Q

Hero checks, UTG bets $180, Hero calls $180
Both randoms, how do you play it?
Thx

Flop lead is sexy, I prefer it over c/c.

Why didn't you keep betting? Big mistake imo, you either miss a street of value or let him valuetown himself except for a lesser amount you'd be value towning him

River is a bit fugly, but call is std

I like a turn bet too. If he has you beat he will usually let you know here. If he flats on the turn, b/f river.

Turn is a c/r with a lot of hands.

Preflop is a 3bet also.

You guys play the same game like me?

As played, river is c/f, vs a reg (SS ability 78-83), it's a c/r.

Really, you would 3bet utg preflop?

For sure,

we in avg have the best hand, a lot of fold equity,
and not of playing ability.

Whatever, OOP is really hard, you think, you have to edge for it??

I am surprised you 3bet pre here. Do make the 3bet if utg raises 3x? Also a litte surprised about the river c/r, what does he call our raise with that we are beating? If we lead, we can get paid off with less and if raised we know we are usally beat.

No, vs a 3x from UTG we fold.



Nothing. It would be a bluff.

We don't get paid by less from a usual reg and we don't pay for information.

Keep betting the turn or check raise.
As played, I'd just call the river.

head asplode.


elaborate on all points plz. specifically ss ratings affecting your decisions.

Betting Turn sounds easy on first glance, but most river cards are ugly for us. So, we're better off either playing a small pot or not playing any more (like all-in) at river. In addition it's nice to have a TPTK hand in your antifloating range.

3betting pf is absolutely standard.
A MR doesn't min anything beside they have a hand we'd like to play.
We in SB have a hand we would not like to play, but is most likely better than villain's hand. So 3bet for protection+playability.
Vs a 3x UTG-raise, our hand is not strong enough to hold the action, though.

Vs a reg with 78-83 SS ability, we can be sure, guy is good enough to thin value bet (allthough it might mean different hand strengths from their of view), but not good/crazy enough to call a c/r with most of his betting range.

Regs with 72 SS ability don't bet there unless they are really, really strong, Fishes with <70 SS abiliy can't be bluffed, Regs that are better, let's say someone like jackal or kenny are good enough to maybe call or anticipitate such moves. I think the borderline here is spacegravy. (I'd c/f and c/r vs him around 50% here. Vs worse regs, I c/r, vs better ones, I c/f).#+

Vs unknowns it's a check (for cheap showdown with value) and no raise because we have no clue about villain.

antifloating range?

I disagree strongly with kamel's advice, though i think in a TOTALLY different setting those plays might make sense...

this a $60 vs randoms. not a 500 vs spacegravy, kenny and jackal...

I think flatting makes most sense pf since 3b folds out basically everything we dominate. We can do just fine vs dominated hands OOP imo.

Leading seems really good in this spot, but it also slightly underreps your hand. It implies you aren't strong enough to c/r. So I'd def barrel turn and c/c river. Only Qx in villains range is QJ, and t9 got there, but against an unknown who minraises at bb20 i think we're gonna be good here a bunch.

Totally forgot to to mention 2 things
A. check/raise that gay turn bet
B. 3bet preflop

I think randoms who 2x open are usually pretty weak and both open/defend wide ranges. We can expect them to call 3bet with worse as well as play pretty fit/fold on the flop. This makes it pretty sexy to 3bet! I'd make it 140-160

At the very least I hope everyone is 3betting AQ vs these fellas

Yah, im gonna have to go with no on this one bub.