Hello.

I have been playing some 6 max hyper SnG's at pokerstars and I was wondering about push/fold charts.

First of all, should you be using a p/f chart at this format, and how efficient is it?

I found a chart at http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/6max/ is this correct for hypers?

I might have some follow-up questions for this.
Thanks!

Those are Nash ranges.

It's a start but you will need to adjust it to take account of the payout structure (sometimes you are dominating and can force people to fold a lot and play for second, sometimes you will need to be more careful of them than they need to be of you.)

Generally the next player to hit the blinds can take a slightly bigger risk than those charts say, but don't go mad with that.

But those charts will be a good starting point. You will work out when to ignore them with experience.

Somebody told me about this. Can someone explain this chat? Thanks. SOrrie. Noob question. I guess i undrestand the push part.
As in if you are holding this hand, with this number of blinds left, you want to shove in first position? What about the fold ???

Man, how come I never know this. its pretty good guidelines to play short stack. how was this chart calculated?

Fold everything else.

Nash charts are calculated by assuming everyone assumes everyone is playing their best, and assuming that everyone else knows that.

So if we push the cards in the chart, villains will call anything that is profitable against that range, and the hands in the chart are the ones that are profitable against those villain calling ranges - such a pair of strategies is called a Nash equilibrium or "GTO" (in poker situations it's easier to assume there is only one Nash equilibrium).

Other situations - e.g. where we think villains are calling tighter than Nash (i.e. folding hands that would be profitable calls against Nash), so more hands become profitable for us to jam - are the realm of "exploitative/exploitable play" - if we are wrong and villain is actually calling wider than Nash then he's exploiting us, so the money flows to him.

Thanks LektorAJ. Any recommended reading material for this?

Kill Everyone is pretty good - and also has charts.

The "power numbers" approximation to the charts in there is also good - you might be able to remember 100 or so power numbers for the different hands but it's going to be really hard to remember all those charts.

Thank you.

These two comments are essential to keep in mind.
The charts are a starting point to improve your play and not a set of cheat sheets.

Caveats that come to mind include

The charts are of no/limited value if there is an open/raise (or open/3bet) before the action gets to you.

The charts don't take account of ICM, so their value falls rapidly in bubble situations. The CSI charts in Kill Everyone recognise this and are tagged 'Far From the Money' (whatever Far From actually means).

All charts are equilibrium solutions that assume your opponents are playing mathematically correctly. As this is unlikely in actual play, there are often alternatives to shoving/calling that have a higher EV for that particular situation.

Thanks for the answers!

I'm glad to here that these charts are somewhat applicable.
In the hyper tournaments there is a lot push/fold and generally very little "play" so it's ofc very good to p/f as correctly as you can.

I understand that you have to adjust to who you're playing against. I have HUD stats that shows fold bb from sb steal and fold to latepos steal separately, also the same with how often villian steals. I also have my HUD show the numbers for bubble play only when we are 3-way.
Of course I'm also aware of ICM, like when btn is short I should shove light on bb when folded to me if I cover.

I'll try and play some more and see if my initial thoughts are close to nash.


EDIT: a follow-up question.

How do I find my calling range?

Say I'm BB, folded to SB who shoves his 4bbs, I have 8bbs. What do I call with? Do I call with everything listed under SB-4bb or how does that work?
And what if I'm SB with 8bbs and btn shoves 4bbs with BB still to act?

No, because the worst hands lists at a particular range are going to be beaten by the average of hands in that range, so you can't call the hands that would be the bottom of villains range aka "The gap concept".

Also the ordering of hands is not the same. To call you need almost 50% equity (depending on stacks, positions). A calling range of 10% might be hands that can do almost 50% equity against villain's jamming range of perhaps 17%. To jam you need to be "ok" even if called. So e.g., the last hand that you would put in a 10% jamming range is one that would be "ok", maybe 40% equity if called by the kind of hands that could call a 10% jamming range (perhaps a 6% calling range) - the dead money from when everyone folds makes up for the equity you give away when called.

There are a whole load of AXo hands that go from being crushed to being favourites as villains ranges get wider, and once villain is wide enough you can call with them, but they are not the first choice to jam into narrow calling ranges that dominate them. On the other hand, there are also lots of JTs type hands that are never ahead, but also never really far behind - those hands are often good to jam, but villains have to be really really wide before you feel ok to call with them.

You'll get more idea from reading Kill Everyone, but also if you try to derive some equilibrium tables yourself on paper (by trial and error) with an equity calculator.

Thank you for the answer. I believe I understand what you're saying, but I have some questions.

I do understand that my calling range has to be tighter than my pushing range as I will get folds when pushing.

But is my shoving range not dependent of villians stack? If I have 10bbs in SB, and BB have 4bbs. Should I push approximately the range that the chart shows for my 10bb stack, or how does this work? Also, if the roles are reversed with the same stack sizes, how do I find my calling range?
Perhaps there is no definite answers for this?

I guess the program IcmIzer could help with this and I've considered buying it, is it recommended? I'll also look into "Kill everyone", I'm sure it's a great read.

It's mostly the effective stack - so 4BB in this example, the other 6BB doesn't play.

The paid programs are mostly useful for more open/3-bet spots and also when you are very short-handed and computing power can simulate several hands ahead. For most of the questions you have playing with this web calculator (from the makers of HRC, a rival to ICMizer) will help:

http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web...s/nashicm.html