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10-13-2014 , 03:05 PM
Little background information. This was a 9 player regular sit and go. We were the two last players and villain was pretty decent. He did however 3-bet almost half of the min raises I did. So I thought it was time to make a stand against this guy and 4bet shove him, leaving him enough equity to fold most of his 3-bet range there.

The question however is if the 77 was the right hand for that. To be honest it really astounded me that he called this off with just 88. This is the first time I did an 4 bet all-in and I give him enough fold equity to fold 88 there. I would assume that if he is a thinking players most of my range there will crush him and that he's coin flipping in the best situation.


    Full Tilt, $9.10 Buy-in (80/160 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31589471

    Hero (SB): 4,889 (30.6 bb)
    BB: 8,611 (53.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 7
    Hero raises to 320, BB raises to 880, Hero raises to 4,889 and is all-in, BB calls 4,009

    Flop: (9,778) 2 6 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (9,778) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (9,778) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 9,778 pot
    Final Board: 2 6 9 K J
    Hero showed 7 7 and lost (-4,889 net)
    BB showed 8 8 and won 9,778 (4,889 net)



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    10-13-2014 , 06:05 PM
    This looks like a pretty standard hand and you got coolered?
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    10-13-2014 , 07:35 PM
    Haha, I'm not folding 88 here to you.

    You'd have to be one big ol fat nit to even come close.


    Something like 6-8% re-jam for him to fold 88, which is tight, really tight.

    Last edited by Dochrohan; 10-13-2014 at 07:41 PM.
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    10-13-2014 , 11:20 PM
    you may want to review your game if you think 77 is too weak to reshove and 88 is too weak to call.
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    10-14-2014 , 01:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mtgalex
    you may want to review your game if you think 77 is too weak to reshove and 88 is too weak to call.
    Well I did not shove because of the 77 to be honest, I shoved because I wanted to make a stand against him that he cannot 3-bet me whenever he likes. Especially because he did it so often. If I don't do that I will be a sitting duck. One can of course argue about this. But for me it was really a psychological move. I could have done this with 24 of suit just as easily.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dochrohan
    Haha, I'm not folding 88 here to you.

    You'd have to be one big ol fat nit to even come close.


    Something like 6-8% re-jam for him to fold 88, which is tight, really tight.
    Like I said this is the first time that I played him and the first time I shoved his 3-bet.
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    10-14-2014 , 01:48 PM
    Your heads up man. As your saying, you wanted to take a stand bc he had been 3! you a bunch. If he's good he knows this and on account of that you have a much wider range. I wouldn't be suprised to see you show up with a-10, aj, aq, ak, even kq suited sometimes. Not to mention every pocket pair in the book. So based on that range, this is a snap based on what he could have.

    He's going to fold his weak aces, kqs, kj, 109s, etc to this 4 bet. 88s+ is never a fold unless he's got a soul read on ya. I'd almost prefer a flat here. Just bc someone is 3 betting you a ton doesn't mean the solution is 4 betting. Beating them post can hurt a lot more (yes there are merrits to 4 bets, I'm not disqualifying that).

    Gl
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    10-14-2014 , 06:02 PM
    "I wanted to make a stand" is a bad reason to make a play. That's the best lesson you can take away from this. Play with solid thinking and maths on your side and leave emotions to the fish as far as possible.
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    10-15-2014 , 07:22 PM
    If he's going to 3bet 88 preflop heads up 30bigs effective then folding to a 4bet I think is going to be pretty catastrophic. Especially when his image is loose because he's constantly 3betting.

    As for the hand, there's nothing Wrong with 4bet shoving, especially a hand as good as 7's here. In fact if this guy is playing back at us a lot, I'd Probably be looking to get it in much wider of he's just owning us pre.

    There's also nothing wrong with calling the 3bet and playing the hand in position. 7s don't play bad too badly post flop heads up - even in 3bet pots.
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