30$ 6max flopped 2pair on drawy board, line check

[yes/no]

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $150(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,000)
Hero ($3,055)
CO ($1,533)
BTN ($3,412)

Dealt to Hero 8 6

fold, BTN calls $150, fold, Hero checks

FLOP ($375) 9 8 6

Hero bets $206, BTN calls $206

TURN ($787) 9 8 6 3

Hero bets $600, BTN calls $600

RIVER ($1,987) 9 8 6 3 5

Hero checks, BTN bets $600, Hero calls $600
Fish, limping alot = 45% vpip
Bet more on flop to protect the hand?
Any comments are appreciated,
Thank you!

[Q]

more flop, id go like 300, turn size in % of pot is good, river looks like you throw chips away.

[Aussie Rhino]

I'd also go for 300ish on the flop, although if villain has flush or straight draw, it's probably not chasing him away anyway.

If you slowed down on turn / river, how often does villain test you with a decent sized bet?

[warriorsquest]

Pretty much every draw has hit by the river so c/c is probably not the optimal play.

Depending on villain I like to thin value/blocker bet or c/f the river.

[TomoDaK]

bigger flop, less turn, fold river (or minbet harhar)

[Ronny Mahoni]

Q, care to tell us what you would do on river?

Tomo, why you wanna bet turn but check/fold river? Does the 5 really change that much?

[Q]

I guess it should be obvious from my statement: I fold cause calling looks like throwing chips away.

[ihqpony.93]

Flop ok, turn shove to protect your hand against fish. As played river looks easy check fold.

[Aussie Rhino]

Originally Posted by ihqpony.93

Flop ok, turn shove to protect your hand against fish. As played river looks easy check fold.

To me this is awful. How do you justify a jam of 2.6k into an 800 pot against a weak player who may have hit a draw?

Op - I'm still keen to hear if the villain would bet into you if you slowed down?

With that turn, would you be better off with a smaller blocking bet that keeps the initiative, but doesn't cost you too much? (depends on answer to qn above)

[ihqpony.93]

Originally Posted by Aussie Rhino

To me this is awful. How do you justify a jam of 2.6k into an 800 pot against a weak player who may have hit a draw?

Op - I'm still keen to hear if the villain would bet into you if you slowed down?

With that turn, would you be better off with a smaller blocking bet that keeps the initiative, but doesn't cost you too much? (depends on answer to qn above)

Correct, I miswatched stack sizes That board turned fk nasty already to your two pair, so I would like bigger bet -> make him pay for his draw. If you are ahead on turn why make it cheap for him to draw? There are so many bad rivers and in many cases you have to check fold river.

[Haarlem91]

Originally Posted by TomoDaK

bigger flop, less turn, fold river (or minbet harhar)

that would be my play too

[ihqpony.93]

Why less turn? Very vulnerable hand to drawy board. Bigger to protect?

[Aussie Rhino]

Originally Posted by ihqpony.93

Why less turn? Very vulnerable hand to drawy board. Bigger to protect?

Because you don't really have fold equity against a calling station. So it's more of a blocker bet to protect your stack (not your hand) which your villain is unable to interpret.

[beyond me]

yea bet/fold small on river is the play vs loose-passive players. they should have enough 1 pair hands still that will click call if you bet 300 which picks up a decent amount of equity and you can be pretty sure he wont turn a pair into a bluff given his loose-passiveness

[TomoDaK]

Less than 600 because firing huge on that turn will scare off weak hands