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Old 02-04-2012, 05:43 PM   #1
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Question $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

Poker Stars, $3.11 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

MP2: 4,160 (20.8 bb)
MP3: 2,035 (10.2 bb)
CO: 3,685 (18.4 bb)
BTN: 1,675 (8.4 bb)
SB: 5,770 (28.9 bb)
BB: 4,330 (21.7 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): 2,985 (14.9 bb)
MP1: 2,360 (11.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A Q
Hero raises to 500, 4 folds, BTN raises to 1,675 and is all-in, 2 folds,

...Hero?

No real information on Villain (18/18, 38 hands) Villain has shoved 2/3 times in unopened pots, hasnt show anything down since I've been at the final table with him.

Favourable pot odds, worth a call? Or better to fold and wait for a better spot as I'm not exactly desperate at this point?

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Old 02-04-2012, 08:57 PM   #2
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

you can't fold here.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:22 PM   #3
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

+1 don't fold, and call with worse hands than AQs too.

Chip equity we need 32.1% equity to call, 1175 for end pot of 3650. Vs AJs+, AQo+, 88+ we have 33.4% with ATs. Vs an 18/18 stat guy 88+, AJs+, AQo+ is probably too tight for a 3bet shoving range too.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
431,500,608 games 0.005 secs 86,300,121,600 games/sec
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.487% 32.20% 01.28% 138958872 5538210.00 { ATs }
Hand 1: 66.513% 65.23% 01.28% 281465316 5538210.00 { 88+, AJs+, AQo+ }
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:05 AM   #4
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

Not folding here as well unless he's super tight with maybe a PFR of ~5% or less? Maybe then I MIGHT consider folding.
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:31 AM   #5
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I called in this hand and unfortunately he had AA. Just bad timing on this one then

Thanks for the advice guys
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:59 AM   #6
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

Opps. Its a 18man game? I din realize it though. I think you are at the wrong section as well this is for STTs only I guess. But from what I see here I dun think there are much to change. Villain is quite short and his range should widen up a bit here to make AQ a considerably strong holding. However, those who know/play the MTTs well may have different opinions which I would not know cos I don't play them regularly but all in all this should be a pretty standard play. So yea..
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

The only button i see on my screen is CALL
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:48 PM   #8
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

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I think you are at the wrong section as well this is for STTs only I guess. .
He's in the right section.
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Old 02-05-2012, 03:54 PM   #9
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

Regret$ why are you talking about chip equity? Hero is on final table
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He's in the right section.
I see.. I thought this was only for STTs. So is 18 man considered STT as well? Then what's the MTTSNG section for? Above 45man? Sorry pardon me but I don't really visit other sections much.
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Regret$ why are you talking about chip equity? Hero is on final table
But not ITM yet I think..
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Regret$ why are you talking about chip equity? Hero is on final table
Whoops! You're right.
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I see.. I thought this was only for STTs. So is 18 man considered STT as well? Then what's the MTTSNG section for? Above 45man? Sorry pardon me but I don't really visit other sections much.
Yes that's how it works for some reason
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Re: $3.50 18man, pre-flop AQs call or fold decision

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Whoops! You're right.
Hey Regret$! Care to explain this? I dun really get it. Why is it that on the final table there is no need for this?
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Hey Regret$! Care to explain this? I dun really get it. Why is it that on the final table there is no need for this?
Just watch some videos on ICM. Basically, chips don't have linear value, so we want to fold to the money generally.

So instead of cEv we should us icm all of final table until the bubbles or we get <6 bb or so..
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