PokerStars Hand #81210822770: Tournament #567687081, $3.16+$0.34 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2012/05/29 20:55:27 ART [2012/05/29 19:55:27 ET]
Table '567687081 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: karal13 (12648 in chips)
Seat 4: Drugo 24 (3392 in chips)
Seat 5: felgastell (5745 in chips)
Seat 6: eraser988 (3410 in chips)
Seat 7: Ristreto31 (1805 in chips)
karal13: posts the ante 50
Drugo 24: posts the ante 50
felgastell: posts the ante 50
eraser988: posts the ante 50
Ristreto31: posts the ante 50
Ristreto31: posts small blind 300
karal13: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to felgastell [Ac 8c]
Drugo 24: folds
felgastell: raises 5095 to 5695 and is all-in
eraser988: folds
Ristreto31: folds
karal13: folds
Uncalled bet (5095) returned to felgastell
felgastell collected 1750 from pot
felgastell: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1750 | Rake 0
Seat 2: karal13 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Drugo 24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: felgastell collected (1750)
Seat 6: eraser988 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ristreto31 (small blind) folded before Flop


BB stats: 39/26/af 12.0/wtsd100/70hands

steal 50 / 3bet 3.4

fold to steal 5


here nash says push :22% but i adjusted for the short in sb, i adjusted to 10%. but maybe for some of you this is not push... opinion??? what hands would you push here???

thanks.

Looks like a very obvious push to me.

Poker Stars $3.16+$0.34 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 5 players - View hand 1783776
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BB: t12648 M = 11.00
UTG: t3392 M = 2.95
Hero (CO): t5745 M = 5.00
BTN: t3410 M = 2.97
SB: t1805 M = 1.57

Pre Flop: (t1150) Hero is CO with A 8
1 fold, Hero raises to t5695 all in, 3 folds

If BB and UTG replace their seats this could be legitimate push, this way you are committing all you chips and still have 3 players to act.
Also, you equity is decent so you dont have to widen your range this much.

I"m in with something like 77+, AT.

Fold. u shouldn't commit your stack with SB beeing on 3bb. I would push AJ+

Very easy shove. It doesnt matter if Sb has 3bbs. Its massive +ev so you shove. If BB wakes up with a hand its bad luck.

why is easy shove, A8s against a decent range *5-6%* of call it doesn't stand so well. we have no FE on SB and we committed our decent stack with one man to go on the payouts. If we were 4 handed easy shove.

Villain doesnt have a 5-6% hand every time. 95% of the time he folds and thats why its massive +ev to shove. And we dont need foldequity against the shortstack with A8s because we are far ahead of his Range. Its true that we should be far tighter than chipev in this bubblespot as the Midstack, but A8s is just very strong. A8o would be very close for example.

is not about chipev is about ICM and EV. we don't gain enough equity to make the call. easy fold.

Wow read my last post again. I just wrote there that we should NOT play chipev in this Spot. And what do you speak about call? we shove and not call. Shove is +0.23% in EV btw. So it would be pretty big mistake to fold here.

i was speaking about shove, obv, sorry.

A8s is at marginal hero range, if BTN calls our hand is -3% EV, if BB calls is slightly ahead 0,03%EV.
i'm not at home to use stove to make ICM calculation, but i think A8s against 11% of villan is about 30/70 equity, so the call is bad. u said it yourself that we should thighten up.

Sorry but i have no idea what you are talking about. You completely disregard our Foldequity. Its the same logic than if you would say: "i never shove 87s, because when i get called i am allways behind." The shove is +ev because of foldequity. You have to calculate the whole situation and not only if villains call our shove. In chipev we can shove 35% and A8s is top 15% so its much tighter than chipev.
And how do you want to use Pokerstove to make icm calculations in this Spot? Its not really possible. You need Sngwiz or another ICM Program.

It's not remotely close to massive +ev. BB is random and he needs to fold A7s, A9o, KQo and KJs for this to even be break even.

Busting when you're 2nd in chips on the bubble and have a comfortable stack is suicide.
1) r/f to everyone except shorty
2) limp/fold to everyone except shorty
3) Open fold

Obviously the option you choose to take will depend on the players at the table.

against icm aware villans it is an easy shove.
against tight randoms its a shove
against wreckless randoms you can take a different line.

very easy push