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01-21-2013 , 04:33 PM

SANTACE

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 748

Hi:

This spot imo is so interesting, because is super hard to think in shove (call the BB really) here. We no have fold equity vs nobody , the Blinds have more stacks than the others 2 villains , probably my hand will play a multiway pot So i lose equity , ect.

But in the next hand im the BB so basically im all in the next hand ( with random hands). ICM like that i shove here

but idk.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $6.45 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15610031

CO: 1,023 (0.6 bb)
BTN: 3,452 (2.2 bb)
SB: 14,263 (8.9 bb)
BB: 6,392 (4 bb)
Hero (MP): 1,870 (1.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

Hero:??

Thanks!

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01-21-2013 , 05:11 PM

ginandbread

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Most important thing to me here is if SB is a good reg who will isolate. Then I go with a shove (to be more precise, with a call to maximize fold equity) and when SB shoves over you with ATC you get so good odds cause BB must fold that it's better then folding.
If SB is bad you'll have a multiway pot and then I would fold here and gamble the next hand.

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01-24-2013 , 01:38 AM

Glitlr

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Originally Posted by ginandbread

With all due respect, it's a great play NOT to shove from the SB (although shoving is fine). Also, there is no folding equity in the example you described. If no one folds, there is no folding equity.

OP, you are just in a crappy spot. You are probably less likely to be in a multiway pot the next hand which will therefore boost your chances of winning even with the worst of hands. Fold and hope for the best.

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01-24-2013 , 04:29 AM

Darmaiad

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I also prefer taking the blind next hand.

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01-24-2013 , 04:36 AM

ginandbread

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I used the term incorrectly, I meant if you just limp SB will shove wider cause he knows BB will be tighter in overcalling cause we can still fold (fold equity meant maximize fold% from BB ).
SB needs to pay 1000 for 3400 and bubble factor for BB is so bad that he can't overcall with anything. Don't really see how this isn't a ATC spot for SB. Can you explain why SB should fold??

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01-24-2013 , 05:52 AM

entim

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Originally Posted by Glitlr

With all due respect, it's a great play NOT to shove from the SB (although shoving is fine).

Last edited by entim; 01-24-2013 at 05:57 AM. Reason: ginandbread won thread with reply #1 imo

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01-24-2013 , 08:58 PM

Cwocwoc

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K4s is a better than average hand, you blind down quicker than the other short stack and the blinds are high so you'll get 2-1 odds if the BB folds. It's an autoshove for me.

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01-27-2013 , 10:18 PM

SANTACE

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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc

K4s is a better than average hand, you blind down quicker than the other short stack and the blinds are high so you'll get 2-1 odds if the BB folds. It's an autoshove for me.

+1 I think is the better.

Sb is a random ( i guess him dont shove vert often rather looks pretty prudent) So i think is better shove here.

Thanks againn guys

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01-28-2013 , 09:19 AM

LeaksSuck

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I shove unless I have a read that co is very fishy and might call wide if I fold.

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01-31-2013 , 02:40 PM

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kalafior

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You should start with information about CO(&BTN)...
If he is an idiot and after our fold he will push i.e 60-70% then we have a very,very easy fold.
ginandbread: SB shouldn't push very wide because he's a bigstack and he can exploit the bubble factor- he want to get as much as possible before HU.

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