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Old 06-09-2009, 01:48 PM   #1
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$16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

Ok so I am off on holiday tomorrow and have a bunch of hands stacked up that i am lookign at before I go.....

Villian is a random, I have HUD stats somewhere but cant dig em up at the moment.

So, we flop 2 pair bet out and get flatted, the turn card is not a great one as it fills up a few draws and a couple of 2 pair combo's got there. But, flush draws are stil missing plus alot of donks float with Ax so we are getting value. So I bet out again;

questions are

a) should I lead turn like I did (my gut feel is yes but I woudl like other opinions)
b) should I check/call river. 7 didn't help that much so I wasnt to scared by it
c) is this a leak calling (actually i have so few chips after a call i should reshove, but whatever) the river which screams a big hand but, pot odds are decent (near 4-1) though.


Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1495 M = 19.93
MP1: t1780 M = 23.73
MP2: t1425 M = 19
CO: t3345 M = 44.60
BTN: t1320 M = 17.60
Hero (SB): t1390 M = 18.53
BB: t1390 M = 18.53
UTG: t1355 M = 18.07

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with T Q
UTG calls t50, 5 folds, Hero calls t25, BB checks

Flop: (t150) Q T 6 (3 players)
Hero bets t100, BB folds, UTG calls t100

Turn: (t350) A (2 players)
Hero bets t200, UTG calls t200

River: (t750) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t250, UTG raises to t700, Hero calls t450
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:02 PM   #2
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

lol at fold pf.

this is played fine except for the end imo. either bet for actual value, or check/call (hoping to induce a bet from a worse hand, not to protect against better hands)
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:08 PM   #3
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

i prefer to b/f i doubt he raises river with 1 pair, doubt he bluffs, and doubt he has a worse 2 pair. without a solid read that he's a habitual bluffer c/c stinks since he will check back worse hands with good showdown value, and will often bet better.
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:18 PM   #4
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

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First, fold this pf. Against a regs UTG limping range you are going to be crushed like 95% of the time.

What are the ranges that you can put a UTG on with the limp here? 1010+/AQ+? You may be ahead after the flop, but you probably aren't on the turn.

c/f river here. Also: Bet sizing on the turn and river need to be more if you're going to bet. (300 turn, 700 river.)
is this a joke?

his not a reg - clearly stated in OP. completing for 25 chips is very standard

flop and turn bets are for 2/3 of pot so why do i need to bet more?
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:50 PM   #5
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

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i prefer to b/f i doubt he raises river with 1 pair, doubt he bluffs, and doubt he has a worse 2 pair. without a solid read that he's a habitual bluffer c/c stinks since he will check back worse hands with good showdown value, and will often bet better.
agreed
without any reads we should value bet the river, and disgustedly fold to a raise, that we can´t expect from basically no worse hands.
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:05 AM   #6
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

check calling river on this board might be better even though he might be checking behind some A's..
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:13 AM   #7
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

Completing with QTo may be standard but if it is, it is mainly a standard spew, and not a small one.
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:25 AM   #8
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

Max were u in SNG Academy whenit was going?

As for the hand, completing for 25 chips with QT is a big spew? Why is it spewy, I can't really think of any reasoning to support it. Perhaps at a higher blind level but not t50.

Could u elaborate for me?
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:43 AM   #9
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

I think the b/c on the river is pretty gross. He's not raising any hands for value that we beat and most players pretty much never bluff raise the river. So I think b/f is the way to go here.
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:57 AM   #10
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

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Max were u in SNG Academy whenit was going?

As for the hand, completing for 25 chips with QT is a big spew? Why is it spewy, I can't really think of any reasoning to support it. Perhaps at a higher blind level but not t50.

Could u elaborate for me?
I don't know what is SNG Academy :-S.

I think that even at L1, completing QTo with a limper is spewy.
I won't explain in detail but the main reasons are :
1. The position is very important in poker.
2.You will win only small pot with QT, when you will be involved in a big one, you will be behind for sure.

Practically, if you want to win big pot you want to have 2pair, trips or flopped straight. It will happens seldom.
So on the long term the small pot that you win do not compensate the 25 that you engage preflop and the big pot that you will loose in what you call cold deck (DP vs over DP, DP vs set, trips vs over trips etc..)

A main leak that a good CG player find on a newbie in CG is : to play too many hands in SB.
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:54 AM   #11
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Re: $16 - 2 flopped 2 pair facing river reraise line check

completing QT L3 is really standard.

i fold to the river raise. very rarely are good here imo.
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