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Old 02-06-2012, 08:14 AM   #1
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Heart 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

Button was 35/28 with now 3/4 steal. 4x was his usual raise.

Poker Stars $13.70+$1.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 7 players
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Hero (BB): t3435 34.35 BBs
UTG: t1010 10.10 BBs
UTG+1: t1395 13.95 BBs
MP: t1520 15.20 BBs
CO: t760 7.60 BBs
BTN: t4245 42.45 BBs
SB: t1135 11.35 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with T A
4 folds, BTN raises to t400, 1 fold, Hero calls t300

Flop: (t850) 8 J A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t700
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:14 AM   #2
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

call pre is pretty horrible imo (in before you getting all defensive)
You should start exploiting his 4bb raises. either 3b pre or fold OOP or you will get in situations like these.
I canŽt see how you can continue now against this big bet, but folding once hitting is pretty weak also. IŽd still fold against this large bet (was this normal also?)
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:25 AM   #3
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

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call pre is pretty horrible imo (in before you getting all defensive)
You should start exploiting his 4bb raises. either 3b pre or fold OOP or you will get in situations like these.
I canŽt see how you can continue now against this big bet, but folding once hitting is pretty weak also. IŽd still fold against this large bet (was this normal also?)
Calling pre only because the hand is too good to turn into a bluff. Since i had just noticed his stealing and pre aggression, i wouldve 3 bet weaker hands that dont do well post flop.
And there are no betsize tells. If he is already 4x-ing pre, it is possible he is also cbetting big with everything. Folding flop would be utterly retarded since there is an open ender, a double gutter and a flushdraw on the flop. Also he could easily have a weaker A, so in heinsight i think shoving flop is the only thing to do.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:32 AM   #4
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

Calling pre is pretty questionable, and 3betting is probably bad versus this guy given stacks. As played, I call and see a turn card, probably stacking off on another blank if he is pretty aggressive post flop.

The reason calling sucks is that we both have to hit our card, and not stack ourselves somehow, which is pretty hard OOP with these stacks.

3bet sucks cause this is the only guy who can bankrupt us.

Prob just fold pre.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:14 AM   #5
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

3bet/call pre

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:41 AM   #6
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

Im pretty sure considering the 4x open and his activeness, 3 bet to around 900 and folding to a shove would be best since there had been no agro history between us and he would only stack 10 10 and A Q plus.
With a standard 2-2.5x open it would be a call but with the 4x the pot just gets too big to play post.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:45 AM   #7
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

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Im pretty sure considering the 4x open and his activeness, 3 bet to around 900 and folding to a shove would be best since there had been no agro history between us and he would only stack 10 10 and A Q plus.
With a standard 2-2.5x open it would be a call but with the 4x the pot just gets too big to play post.
Maybe if he has a fold to 3bet 3/4 times or something. Most of these guys aren't folding very much and we will have to c/f many flops after 3betting. I'm really not sure 3betting is immediately profitable versus this kind of player generally.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:03 PM   #8
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Maybe if he has a fold to 3bet 3/4 times or something. Most of these guys aren't folding very much and we will have to c/f many flops after 3betting. I'm really not sure 3betting is immediately profitable versus this kind of player generally.
If u wanna just fold pre with a monster like A 10s button vs bb against a big stealer, thats surely a big leak. And no, if he calls the 3 bet pre, i dont have to c-fold many flops. His 3 bet calling range is most likely still wide considering his aggressiveness, so i will be jamming a lot of flops.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:10 PM   #9
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If u wanna just fold pre with a monster like A 10s button vs bb against a big stealer, thats surely a big leak. And no, if he calls the 3 bet pre, i dont have to c-fold many flops. His 3 bet calling range is most likely still wide considering his aggressiveness, so i will be jamming a lot of flops.
If calling sucks (as show by your hand in OP, where we hit TP and still hate life..) and 3bet sucks (cause we are risking too much to gain too little) then folding is correct? Right. Lets just ignore whether or not it is correct to fold, but we can agree on that at least right?
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:12 PM   #10
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If calling sucks (as show by your hand in OP, where we hit TP and still hate life..) and 3bet sucks (cause we are risking too much to gain too little) then folding is correct? Right. Lets just ignore whether or not it is correct to fold, but we can agree on that at least right?
No, u can 3 bet small pre, certainly not risking too much. And its an easy fold vs a shove since its the 1st 3 bet against him. And flop is a shove since he can have weaker aces and lots of draws.
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Re: 15dol button vs bb 2 biggest stacks.

Call pre, call flop. Dunno whats so bad about it?
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