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02-03-2012, 04:39 AM
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journeyman
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15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
Poker Stars, $13.70 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
hey!
villain runs 25/19 only 138 hands. so kind of i expect to over play his Jx hands but its still a paired board.
i oversaw villains AF was 1 and Agg Freq 20%
sidenote, not important for this hand, just saw steal% 52, so overall strange stats, seems from different players...
gimme all your thoughts plz.
thx daniel
MP2: 2,685 (26.9 bb)
MP3: 1,200 (12 bb)
CO: 2,082 (20.8 bb)
BTN: 1,980 (19.8 bb)
SB: 1,105 (11.1 bb)
BB: 2,456 (24.6 bb)
Hero (MP1): 1,992 (19.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K  K
Hero raises to 210, 2 folds, CO calls 210, 3 folds
Flop: (570) J  T  T (2 players)
Hero bets 200, CO raises to 400, Hero calls 200
Turn: (1,370) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: (1,370) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets 350, CO raises to 1,472 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,032 and is all-in
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02-03-2012, 05:18 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
When you call the flop raise, you have a hand that can call on the turn. So it's odd that he doesn't bet there with Jx.
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02-03-2012, 07:33 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by Monkey Banana
When you call the flop raise, you have a hand that can call on the turn. So it's odd that he doesn't bet there with Jx.
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i think you mean combined with the river action?
flop he could try to fold out my equity in the hand, doesnt work and on the
turn he might try to get to a cheap showdown with is Jx middle pockets.
so, what's YOUR play on river and whats your play after the 350 bet?
maybe your overall line/thoughts i would appreciate.
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02-03-2012, 07:44 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
Hey! I think when you lead the flop villain may have sensed weakness,and 3bet you.(maybe putting you on ak or aq or simply cuz he has a j and doesnt think your donking a 10,or bluffing )But when you call and check the turn its strange to me that hes not continuing here getting value from a jack if he had a 10 since he insta reraised the flop and you called.So with him checking the turn behind your check he could possibly have a j or maybe kq,and a few more hands you can beat and is afraid of you possibly having a 10.seems that almost all players are flatting your flop bet with a 10,but when you come across a spewy donk that does 3bet you with a 10 on the flop,hes probably not checking the turn hes probably going to continue firing at the pot.so going into the river the pot is roughly 2200 and you lead for 350,idk what your intentions are with this bet sizing,if your trying to see how he reacts or if its for value.From his stats(short sample)it seems like hes pretty aggresive,and you bet so little on the river,it kinda confuses me.It would really be nice to see how he was playing and what hands he had showndown with,or if he was a winning player,but im definitley clicking call.I think were beating most of his range. please post results at a later time!
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02-03-2012, 08:04 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
i dont really see what betting the river does, especially after checking the turn
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02-03-2012, 08:12 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by gunder93
Hey! I think when you lead the flop villain may have sensed weakness,and 3bet you.(maybe putting you on ak or aq or simply cuz he has a j and doesnt think your donking a 10,or bluffing )But when you call and check the turn its strange to me that hes not continuing here getting value from a jack if he had a 10 since he insta reraised the flop and you called.So with him checking the turn behind your check he could possibly have a j or maybe kq,and a few more hands you can beat and is afraid of you possibly having a 10.seems that almost all players are flatting your flop bet with a 10,but when you come across a spewy donk that does 3bet you with a 10 on the flop,hes probably not checking the turn hes probably going to continue firing at the pot.so going into the river the pot is roughly 2200 and you lead for 350,idk what your intentions are with this bet sizing,if your trying to see how he reacts or if its for value.From his stats(short sample)it seems like hes pretty aggresive,and you bet so little on the river,it kinda confuses me.It would really be nice to see how he was playing and what hands he had showndown with,or if he was a winning player,but im definitley clicking call.I think were beating most of his range. please post results at a later time!
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plz look at the potsize again.
choosed the number to get value from hands i mentioned before, its not
easy to choose the right amount for a value bet and maybe your right and it could be a bit bigger, dont know if i can call the shove though
maybe i thought ingame lead small and fold to action on this board but then beeing so weak and call - dunno
call the shove
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02-03-2012, 08:17 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by danjo_os
villain runs 25/19 only 138 hands. so kind of i expect to over play his Jx hands but its still a paired board.
i oversaw villains AF was 1 and Agg Freq 20%
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I wouldn't call the bolded aggressive at all. I almost want to fold the flop!
River line b small/fold seems optimal to me giving opponent's passivity. VNH OP.
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02-03-2012, 08:29 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by movieman2g
i dont really see what betting the river does, especially after checking the turn
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sorry, thought i made it clear, dont say it was clever ;-)
read my response to banana.
so after his raise on flop and check on turn i thought i might be good against
Jx, pp's
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02-03-2012, 08:31 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by Regret$
I wouldn't call the bolded aggressive at all. I almost want to fold the flop!
River line b small/fold seems optimal to me giving opponent's passivity. VNH OP.
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the fold on flop would hurt but its not to bad considering his low aggression.
agree also with your b small/fold - fish i am ;-)
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02-03-2012, 08:55 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by danjo_os
plz look at the potsize again.
choosed the number to get value from hands i mentioned before, its not
easy to choose the right amount for a value bet and maybe your right and it could be a bit bigger, dont know if i can call the shove though
maybe i thought ingame lead small and fold to action on this board but then beeing so weak and call - dunno
call the shove
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ya i def miscalculated the pot,hahaha
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02-03-2012, 09:22 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
If you're going to call flop,
Donk the turn 400-450,
reason for this is I think this is one of the only
ways to get him to spazz if he's pure bluffing,
and if he's not pure bluffing, I'd already have
considered below ---
for me i'd reraise or push the flop a high % because anyone making
this raise into me would only do so for value, and with 25vpip
i'd be ahead of his raise/call range.
As played I think your riverbet sucks...but i'd never get in this river spot...
I'd probably c/c in case he had a hand like Q9s that was bluffing, picked
up extra equity and hoped to hit, and missed,
everything you're betting into is either too strong to just call, or too weak
to call at all.
As you have played it river is probably really close
between c/c and c/f
Last edited by entim; 02-03-2012 at 09:28 AM.
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02-03-2012, 10:03 AM
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banned
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
Played fine, c/c river though.
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02-03-2012, 10:33 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by Regret$
I wouldn't call the bolded aggressive at all. I almost want to fold the flop!OP.
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no, not at all aggressive, makes it more scary....
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02-03-2012, 10:51 AM
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journeyman
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
everyone hates my riverbet
its close to c/c, r/f i think. would tend to c/c if i think he is more on a draw
r/f on this hand, if i think he has Jx, pp's
@ entim
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on flop i the your reason but ingame i thought i would not get called from worse, against his range that was maybe wrong but i dont know.
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02-03-2012, 11:43 AM
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banned
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Re: 15$ reg linecheck t100 KK get raised ai on river
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Originally Posted by danjo_os
everyone hates my riverbet 
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You're getting value from hardly anything. He's not raising a J on that flop very often, so it's either the nuts or air.
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