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Old 07-29-2012, 07:06 AM   #46
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

I like it. Post more often
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:27 PM   #47
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

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I wouldn't be shoving A4o with your reads on him, and yeah his call seems pretty bad. I'm I missing something? 6 players left = bubble?
shove is bad with read. without is fine. call is lol
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:21 PM   #48
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

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shove is bad with read. without is fine. call is lol
you couldnt possibly be more wrong in your life, not shoving a4 is bad you can shove a4 profitably if both villians are calling 100%, you can shove a4 profitably if small stack is on aa only and bb calling 100% you actually couldnt possibly be more wrong a4 is profitable if there calling atc
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Old 07-29-2012, 11:40 PM   #49
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

Yeah A4 is more than just a little profitable, I haven't done the math on it but I think we can probably be over 50% here. If we're as wide as we're supposed to be, villain's calls are not bad at all, but since we're shoving too tight villain is making terrible calls.
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Old 07-30-2012, 12:02 AM   #50
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

sometimes when people try to own you on the bubble, you have to give them the justice fist.

also while you might disagree with icantsng's premise that a7 is a good call, his basic point (everyone stop being a nit, get way wider) is the golden takeaway from this thread i think. forest for the trees and all that as it were
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:11 AM   #51
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

50/50s are dumb move on people. Shove A4o (would be god awful to fold A4o) fold A7o. Hero has to be a little tighter then ATC due to a call putting him in danger of bubbling that being said probably should be on top 80%. Silly call is silly.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #52
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

ICANTSNG makes horrible -ev shoves and calls every game I wonder how he can be a winning player.

A7o is bad enough, but I've seen him snap calling even worse spots like this (shorty is even shorter) with A3o against tight nits whose range most certainly isnt ATC.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:19 PM   #53
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ICANTSNG makes horrible -ev shoves and calls every game I wonder how he can be a winning player.

A7o is bad enough, but I've seen him snap calling even worse spots like this (shorty is even shorter) with A3o against tight nits whose range most certainly isnt ATC.
Without commenting on ICANTSNG directly a lot of regs do things that are horrible and are winning players. The best idea for everyone coming up in SNGs is asking what these players are doing that's good to make up for leaks elsewhere.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:58 AM   #54
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

i have to admit that i made a mistake in my first calculation. Dont know what i did wrong there. Nash for 60/10/10/10/10 and 150/300/40

Button shoves 77.7%. BB calls 17.3%, 66+ A5s+ A7o+ K9s+ KTo+ QJs . So against a "Nash" Player its not a bad call at all. Only Question is how many player at the 15$ level shove Nash Ranges. This calculation is made with Future Game included.

Without future game BU shoves 72% and BB calls 13.4%, 66+ A7s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ .

It looks like i have overestimated the Bubblefactors in fifty50. I thought that they were only a bit under Don Bubblefactors, but it is a very big difference to Dons.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:49 PM   #55
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Re: $15 fifty50 bubble, huge ICM mistake by villain or standard?

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ICANTSNG makes horrible -ev shoves and calls every game I wonder how he can be a winning player.

A7o is bad enough, but I've seen him snap calling even worse spots like this (shorty is even shorter) with A3o against tight nits whose range most certainly isnt ATC.
perhaps your EV calculations are not as accurate as you think
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:22 PM   #56
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perhaps your EV calculations are not as accurate as you think
most likely this, or i run like god either or
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:24 PM   #57
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i have to admit that i made a mistake in my first calculation. Dont know what i did wrong there. Nash for 60/10/10/10/10 and 150/300/40

Button shoves 77.7%. BB calls 17.3%, 66+ A5s+ A7o+ K9s+ KTo+ QJs . So against a "Nash" Player its not a bad call at all. Only Question is how many player at the 15$ level shove Nash Ranges. This calculation is made with Future Game included.

Without future game BU shoves 72% and BB calls 13.4%, 66+ A7s+ A9o+ KTs+ KJo+ .

It looks like i have overestimated the Bubblefactors in fifty50. I thought that they were only a bit under Don Bubblefactors, but it is a very big difference to Dons.
whattttttttttttttttttt A7o surely not!
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